arxiv: 2604.04894 · v2 · submitted 2026-04-06 · 💻 cs.CL · cs.AI· cs.LG

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Asymmetric Advantage Modulation Calibrates Entropy Dynamics in RLVR

Hengrui Gu , Xiaotian Han , Yujing Bian , Feiyi Wang , Kaixiong Zhou

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keywords RLVRGRPOentropy regularizationadvantage estimationLLM reasoningmathematical benchmarkspolicy optimization

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Splitting the advantage estimator into positive and negative channels lets AsymGRPO modulate productive entropy upward and noisy entropy downward without a shared coefficient.

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The paper investigates why uniform entropy regularization in RLVR often adds unhelpful uncertainty and yields only modest accuracy gains on reasoning tasks. It parameterizes the advantage in GRPO into separate positive and negative outcome-conditioned channels and shows that positive modulation increases entropy around successful trajectories while negative modulation reduces entropy around failures. By decoupling the modulation strengths of the two channels, AsymGRPO allows stronger reinforcement of rare correct answers on difficult prompts and stronger suppression of incorrect paths on easier ones. This produces more targeted exploration that scales across prompt difficulties. Experiments on five mathematical reasoning benchmarks demonstrate consistent outperformance over strong RLVR baselines across multiple model sizes.

Core claim

Parameterizing the advantage estimator into positive and negative outcome-conditioned channels reveals that positive-channel modulation raises productive entropy associated with successful reasoning trajectories while negative-channel modulation removes noisy entropy associated with failed rollouts; decoupling their modulation strengths in AsymGRPO enables flexible, difficulty-aware control that improves policy updates without forcing identical scaling on both channels.

What carries the argument

Asymmetric advantage modulation in GRPO, which applies independent scaling factors to positive and negative outcome-conditioned advantages to separately raise productive entropy and suppress noisy entropy.

If this is right

Stronger positive modulation reinforces rare successes on harder prompts without over-penalizing easier ones.
Stronger negative modulation suppresses residual failures on easier prompts without reducing exploration on difficult ones.
Entropy dynamics become calibrated to prompt difficulty, reducing sensitivity to a single global regularization coefficient.
Consistent accuracy gains appear across model backbones on mathematical reasoning benchmarks.

Where Pith is reading between the lines

These are editorial extensions of the paper, not claims the author makes directly.

The channel separation could be tested on non-mathematical reasoning domains to check whether the productive-versus-noisy distinction generalizes.
The method may reduce the hyperparameter search space for entropy regularization by replacing one coefficient with two independent ones.
Interaction with other exploration techniques such as temperature annealing or diversity rewards remains open for study.

Load-bearing premise

That splitting the advantage estimator into positive and negative outcome-conditioned channels correctly isolates productive entropy from noisy entropy and that independent modulation strengths will improve performance without creating new optimization instabilities.

What would settle it

Running AsymGRPO on a held-out mathematical reasoning benchmark where the positive and negative channels produce overlapping or unstable entropy trajectories and measuring whether accuracy gains disappear relative to uniform-modulation baselines.

Figures

Figures reproduced from arXiv: 2604.04894 by Feiyi Wang, Hengrui Gu, Kaixiong Zhou, Xiaotian Han, Yujing Bian.

**Figure 2.** Figure 2: Evolution of training dynamics and mechanism analysis. The top row presents results on Qwen2.5- Math-1.5B, while the bottom row corresponds to Qwen3-4B. (a, e) Policy entropy over training steps. (b, f) Average validation accuracy. (c, g) The epoch-wise proportion of prompts categorized as “all-solved” and “none-solved”. (d, h) The average log probability increment of positive samples after each update. We… view at source ↗

**Figure 3.** Figure 3: Adversarial entropy flipping experiments. (a, c) Policy entropy. (b, d) Average validation accuracy. 3.2 Adversarial Analysis: The Necessity of Bidirectional Entropy Modulation To further verify the existence of informative and spurious entropy, and to assess the necessity of applying opposite modulation to positive and negative rollouts in GRPO, we design an adversarial “flipping” experiment. Based on th… view at source ↗

**Figure 4.** Figure 4: Entropy Dynamics and Validation Accuracy by 1.23%. We attribute this to its selective nature: unlike naive regularization which indiscriminately inflates global entropy, Clip-higher leverages the positive advantage signal—encouraging only actions with positive advantages as they alone trigger the clipping upper bound—to filter out unreasonable actions, thereby concentrating the increase on informative en… view at source ↗

**Figure 5.** Figure 5: Extended Training Dynamics and Performance Metrics. (a) Evolution of the Training Reward. (b)–(f) Validation accuracy trajectories on individual mathematical reasoning benchmarks (MATH-500, AIME24, AIME25, AMC23, and Olympiad). (g) The proportion of prompts yielding exclusively correct responses. (h) The proportion of prompts yielding exclusively incorrect responses. E Experimental Settings and Hyperparame… view at source ↗

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Reinforcement learning with verifiable rewards (RLVR) has substantially improved the reasoning ability of large language models (LLMs), but it often suffers from \textit{restricted exploration}, where the policy rapidly concentrates on a narrow set of solutions. A common remedy is entropy regularization, which attempts to preserve exploration by increasing policy entropy. However, for LLM-RL, this intervention is highly sensitive to its coefficient, can introduce semantically weak uncertainty, and often yields limited accuracy gains. This motivates a more precise question: which entropy helps reasoning, and which entropy should be reduced? To study this, we parameterize the advantage estimator in Group Relative Policy Optimization (GRPO) into positive and negative outcome-conditioned channels and analyze their entropy dynamics. Our results show that positive-channel modulation raises \textit{productive entropy} associated with successful reasoning trajectories, while negative-channel modulation removes \textit{noisy entropy} associated with failed rollouts and reduces interference with correct paths. Guided by this channel-wise view, we propose \textbf{AsymGRPO}, which decouples the modulation strengths of positive and negative advantages. This enables flexible control over how the model updates across prompt difficulty levels, allowing stronger reinforcement of rare successes on harder prompts or stronger suppression of residual failures on easier prompts without forcing the two channels to share the same modulation strength. Experiments on five mathematical reasoning benchmarks show that AsymGRPO outperforms strong RLVR baselines, with consistent gains across model backbones.

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AsymGRPO decouples positive and negative advantage modulation in GRPO via channel-wise entropy analysis and reports benchmark gains, but the causal role of that split remains under-supported.

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The main point is that this paper takes GRPO and splits the advantage estimator into positive and negative outcome channels, then lets each have its own modulation strength. They motivate it by showing that positive modulation tends to preserve useful entropy on successful paths while negative modulation damps noisy entropy on failures, and they claim this gives better control across prompt difficulties. Experiments on five math reasoning benchmarks show gains over standard RLVR baselines across a couple of model sizes.

Referee Report

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Summary. The manuscript introduces AsymGRPO, an asymmetric extension of Group Relative Policy Optimization (GRPO) for reinforcement learning with verifiable rewards (RLVR) in large language models. By parameterizing the advantage estimator into positive and negative outcome-conditioned channels and modulating them independently, the method aims to raise productive entropy for successful trajectories while reducing noisy entropy from failed rollouts. This is claimed to enable better control over exploration across prompt difficulties, resulting in consistent performance improvements on five mathematical reasoning benchmarks compared to strong RLVR baselines.

Significance. Should the channel-wise entropy analysis and the resulting performance gains hold under further scrutiny, this approach could provide a more nuanced alternative to standard entropy regularization in LLM-RL, potentially leading to more stable and effective training for reasoning tasks by avoiding the sensitivity issues associated with uniform modulation coefficients.

major comments (2)

[Section 3] The central claim relies on the positive and negative channels isolating productive versus noisy entropy; however, the manuscript does not provide evidence that this split is robust to variations in the GRPO estimator or prompt difficulty levels, as the group-relative normalization may mix signals within batches.
[Section 5 (Experiments)] The reported benchmark results lack error bars, exact specifications of baseline implementations, and ablations varying the modulation strengths, which are necessary to establish that the gains are attributable to the asymmetric modulation rather than general hyperparameter effects.

minor comments (2)

The abstract and introduction could benefit from a clearer statement of the specific mathematical reasoning benchmarks used.
[Notation] Ensure consistent use of symbols for the modulation strengths throughout the paper.

Simulated Author's Rebuttal

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We thank the referee for the constructive feedback on our manuscript. We address each major comment below and have revised the manuscript to incorporate additional analyses and details as suggested.

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Referee: [Section 3] The central claim relies on the positive and negative channels isolating productive versus noisy entropy; however, the manuscript does not provide evidence that this split is robust to variations in the GRPO estimator or prompt difficulty levels, as the group-relative normalization may mix signals within batches.

Authors: We appreciate this observation on the need for robustness validation. While the core analysis in Section 3 demonstrates the entropy separation under standard GRPO, we agree that explicit checks across estimator variations and difficulty levels would strengthen the claim. In the revised manuscript, we have added new experiments varying GRPO group sizes (from 4 to 16) and stratifying prompts by difficulty. These results confirm that the positive-channel productive entropy increase and negative-channel noisy entropy suppression remain consistent, with group-relative normalization preserving the channel distinction without substantial signal mixing. revision: yes
Referee: [Section 5 (Experiments)] The reported benchmark results lack error bars, exact specifications of baseline implementations, and ablations varying the modulation strengths, which are necessary to establish that the gains are attributable to the asymmetric modulation rather than general hyperparameter effects.

Authors: We agree that these reporting elements are essential for establishing the source of the gains. In the revised manuscript, we have added error bars computed over five random seeds to all benchmark tables. We have expanded Section 5 and the appendix with precise baseline implementation details, including exact hyperparameter values and training setups. We have also included new ablations that independently vary the positive and negative modulation strengths, demonstrating that performance improvements arise specifically from the asymmetric decoupling rather than uniform coefficient adjustments. revision: yes

Circularity Check

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Empirical channel analysis motivates hyperparameter decoupling without circular reduction

full rationale

The paper's derivation begins with an empirical parameterization of the GRPO advantage estimator into positive and negative outcome-conditioned channels, followed by observation of their distinct entropy dynamics. This analysis directly informs the proposal of AsymGRPO, which treats the two modulation strengths as independent tunable hyperparameters rather than quantities derived from or fitted to force reproduction of the observed dynamics. No equations or steps reduce a claimed prediction to the input data by construction, and the central claim does not depend on self-citation chains, uniqueness theorems, or smuggled ansatzes for its justification. Benchmark experiments provide external validation, rendering the chain self-contained.

Axiom & Free-Parameter Ledger

2 free parameters · 1 axioms · 0 invented entities

The approach rests on two new hyperparameters for independent channel modulation and on the domain assumption that advantage signals cleanly separate into productive and noisy entropy components.

free parameters (2)

positive-channel modulation strength
Hyperparameter controlling reinforcement of successful trajectories; chosen per prompt difficulty level.
negative-channel modulation strength
Hyperparameter controlling suppression of failed rollouts; chosen independently of the positive strength.

axioms (1)

domain assumption The advantage estimator in GRPO can be meaningfully decomposed into positive and negative outcome-conditioned channels whose entropy effects are separable.
This decomposition is the starting point for the entire analysis and method.

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We introduce a continuous β-parametrized family of advantage functions: A(β)pos(p) = ((1-p)/p)^β, A(β)neg(p) = -((p)/(1-p))^β. This formulation generalizes... setting β=0.5 recovers the standard GRPO scaling
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group-relative advantage estimation functions as an implicit entropy refinement mechanism: it sustains informative entropy on positive rollouts while suppressing spurious entropy on negative ones

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