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The GECKOS survey: Resolving the molecular and ionised gas in the galactic outflow of ESO~484-036
Pith reviewed 2026-05-10 11:05 UTC · model grok-4.3
The pith
Molecular gas carries most of the outflow mass in ESO 484-036 and produces a 3.5 dex mismatch with cosmological simulations.
A machine-rendered reading of the paper's core claim, the machinery that carries it, and where it could break.
Core claim
Spatially resolved observations reveal a conical multiphase outflow in which molecular gas is detected up to 2.5 kpc from the disc, encloses the ionised component, and supplies the dominant mass outflow rate of 13-54 solar masses per year. Both phases show deprojected velocities below 400 km/s consistent with ballistic motion and possible fallback. The resulting molecular mass-loading factor range of 1.5-6.2, when placed in a literature sample, produces a 3.5 dex discrepancy with cosmological simulations in the ratio of molecular to ionised loading factors.
What carries the argument
Combined deprojected mass outflow rates and loading factors derived from conical-geometry assumptions applied to MUSE H-alpha and ALMA CO(1-0) maps.
If this is right
- The outflow remains starburst-driven because energy loading stays below 0.16 and momentum loading below 1.
- Despite a short depletion time of 16-48 Myr, the outflow may regulate rather than permanently remove the gas reservoir because of possible fallback.
- Adding the molecular phase shifts observed mass-loading relations upward by roughly 1 dex compared with ionised-gas-only samples.
- Cosmological simulations underpredict the cold-gas component and the importance of short-range recycling flows in starburst galaxies.
Where Pith is reading between the lines
- If the high molecular loading is common, starburst galaxies may retain more gas for future star formation than current models allow.
- Observations of additional edge-on starbursts at similar resolution could test whether the 3.5 dex gap is universal or specific to this object.
- Improved sub-grid recipes for molecular formation and cooling in outflows would be needed to close the gap with these data.
Load-bearing premise
The outflow geometry is conical and velocities can be accurately deprojected while standard CO-to-H2 and H-alpha conversion factors apply without large systematic errors.
What would settle it
A direct measurement showing the molecular mass outflow rate is at least 30 times lower than reported, or a non-conical geometry that reduces deprojected velocities enough to lower loading factors into the simulation range, would eliminate the claimed discrepancy.
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read the original abstract
We present a spatially resolved, multiphase study of the outflow in the edge-on starburst galaxy ESO~484-036 from the GECKOS survey, combining VLT/MUSE H$\alpha$ and ALMA CO(1$-$0) observations to analyse the atomic ionised and cold molecular gas. Both show extraplanar emission consistent with a conical outflow. Ionised gas is enclosed by molecular gas, which is detected up to 2.5 kpc from the disc. Molecular gas dominates near the disc, except at the nuclear base, while ionised gas extends beyond 3 kpc. The deprojected outflow velocities are $\lesssim400\ \rm km\ s^{-1}$ in both phases and are consistent with ballistic motion, with some gas possibly falling back onto the disc. We find that the mass outflow rates are in the range of $\dot M_{\rm ion}\sim1-5\ \rm M_\odot\ \rm yr^{-1}$ and $\dot M_{\rm mol}\sim13-54\ \rm M_\odot\ \rm yr^{-1}$, giving mass loading factors of $\eta_{M\rm, ion}\sim 0.1-0.6$ and $\eta_{M\rm, mol}\sim 1.5-6.2$. These ranges reflect velocity and geometric uncertainties. Despite the short depletion time ($\tau_{\rm dep} = 16-48\rm\ Myr$), the outflow may regulate rather than permanently quench the gas reservoir. Energy loading ($\eta_E\leq0.16$) and momentum loading ($\eta_p\lesssim1$) support a purely starburst-driven outflow. Comparing ESO~484-036 with a literature sample, we find a systematic 1~dex shift in mass-loading relations when molecular gas is included. This produces a $\sim3.5$~dex discrepancy with cosmological simulations in $\eta_{M\rm, mol}/\eta_{M\rm, ion}$, implying that current models strongly underpredict cold gas production and the role of short-range recycling flows in starburst galaxies.
Editorial analysis
A structured set of objections, weighed in public.
Referee Report
Summary. The manuscript presents spatially resolved VLT/MUSE Hα and ALMA CO(1-0) observations of the multiphase outflow in the edge-on starburst galaxy ESO 484-036. Both phases exhibit extraplanar emission consistent with a conical outflow, with molecular gas detected to 2.5 kpc and dominating the mass budget near the disc. Deprojected velocities are ≲400 km s⁻¹ in both phases and consistent with ballistic motion. Mass outflow rates are reported as Ṁ_ion ∼1–5 M⊙ yr⁻¹ and Ṁ_mol ∼13–54 M⊙ yr⁻¹, yielding mass-loading factors η_M,ion ∼0.1–0.6 and η_M,mol ∼1.5–6.2 (ranges reflect velocity and geometric uncertainties). The work finds a systematic 1 dex shift in mass-loading relations when molecular gas is included and a ∼3.5 dex discrepancy with cosmological simulations in η_M,mol/η_M,ion, implying models underpredict cold-gas production and short-range recycling.
Significance. If the quantitative discrepancy holds after robustness checks, the result would provide a valuable observational benchmark for multiphase feedback in starbursts, highlighting deficiencies in how cosmological simulations treat cold-gas entrainment and recycling. The paper earns credit for delivering resolved multiphase data, reporting explicit ranges for velocity/geometry uncertainties, and placing the target in a literature sample; these elements make the constraints falsifiable and useful for model calibration.
major comments (2)
- [§4] §4 (mass-outflow-rate derivation): The headline ∼3.5 dex discrepancy in η_M,mol/η_M,ion rests on Ṁ_mol and Ṁ_ion obtained with fixed Galactic X_CO and standard Hα-to-ionised-mass conversion factors. The manuscript reports ranges only for velocity and geometry but does not propagate plausible variations in these conversion factors (literature scatter for outflows easily reaches a factor of ∼3). Such a shift would move the ratio by ∼0.5 dex and, combined with geometry uncertainty, could erase most of the reported discrepancy with simulations. A dedicated sensitivity table or Monte-Carlo run varying X_CO and the Hα factor within documented ranges is required to substantiate the central claim.
- [§3.1] §3.1 (kinematics and geometry): The deprojected velocities (≲400 km s⁻¹) and area corrections assume a single conical geometry whose opening angle is treated as a free parameter. While the data are stated to be consistent with this model, no quantitative exploration of alternative geometries (e.g., biconical with different opening angles or non-axisymmetric flows) is presented. Because the mass-loading factors scale directly with the deprojected velocity and area, this assumption is load-bearing for the discrepancy result and should be tested explicitly.
minor comments (2)
- [Abstract] Abstract: the sentence stating that the ranges 'reflect velocity and geometric uncertainties' should be expanded by one clause to note that conversion factors are held at standard values.
- [§5] Figure captions and §5 (literature comparison): ensure that the plotted mass-loading relations are labelled to distinguish purely ionised versus molecular-inclusive points so readers can immediately see the 1 dex shift.
Simulated Author's Rebuttal
We thank the referee for their constructive and detailed comments, which have prompted us to strengthen the robustness of our analysis. We address each major comment below and describe the revisions we will implement.
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Referee: [§4] §4 (mass-outflow-rate derivation): The headline ∼3.5 dex discrepancy in η_M,mol/η_M,ion rests on Ṁ_mol and Ṁ_ion obtained with fixed Galactic X_CO and standard Hα-to-ionised-mass conversion factors. The manuscript reports ranges only for velocity and geometry but does not propagate plausible variations in these conversion factors (literature scatter for outflows easily reaches a factor of ∼3). Such a shift would move the ratio by ∼0.5 dex and, combined with geometry uncertainty, could erase most of the reported discrepancy with simulations. A dedicated sensitivity table or Monte-Carlo run varying X_CO and the Hα factor within documented ranges is required to substantiate the central claim.
Authors: We agree that propagating uncertainties from the conversion factors is essential to substantiate the central claim. In the revised manuscript we will add a dedicated sensitivity analysis in §4, varying X_CO by a factor of ∼3 (consistent with literature values for starburst outflows) and the Hα-to-ionised-mass conversion factor across documented ranges for outflows. Results will be presented in a new table that shows the resulting ranges for Ṁ_mol, Ṁ_ion, the mass-loading factors, and the ratio η_M,mol/η_M,ion. This will quantify how these uncertainties affect the reported discrepancy with cosmological simulations while retaining our existing velocity and geometric ranges. revision: yes
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Referee: [§3.1] §3.1 (kinematics and geometry): The deprojected velocities (≲400 km s⁻¹) and area corrections assume a single conical geometry whose opening angle is treated as a free parameter. While the data are stated to be consistent with this model, no quantitative exploration of alternative geometries (e.g., biconical with different opening angles or non-axisymmetric flows) is presented. Because the mass-loading factors scale directly with the deprojected velocity and area, this assumption is load-bearing for the discrepancy result and should be tested explicitly.
Authors: We appreciate this observation. Although the data are consistent with a conical geometry, we will expand §3.1 in the revised manuscript to include a quantitative exploration of alternative geometries. This will encompass biconical models with a range of opening angles and considerations for non-axisymmetric or clumpy flows. For each case we will recompute the deprojected velocities and mass outflow rates, and we will discuss the resulting impact on the mass-loading factors and the simulation comparison. Additional text and/or figures will illustrate the variations. revision: yes
Circularity Check
No significant circularity; all quantities derived from independent observations
full rationale
The paper computes mass outflow rates and loading factors directly from VLT/MUSE Hα and ALMA CO(1-0) data using standard conversion factors and a conical outflow geometry. The 3.5 dex discrepancy is obtained by comparing these observationally derived η_M,mol/η_M,ion values against external cosmological simulation results. No derivation step reduces a reported quantity to a parameter fitted from the same dataset, no load-bearing premise rests on self-citation chains, and no ansatz or uniqueness claim is smuggled in via prior author work. The reported ranges explicitly incorporate velocity and geometric uncertainties, keeping the central comparison self-contained against external benchmarks.
Axiom & Free-Parameter Ledger
free parameters (2)
- outflow opening angle
- CO-to-H2 conversion factor
axioms (2)
- domain assumption Extraplanar emission traces a conical outflow
- domain assumption Gas follows ballistic trajectories
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