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arxiv: 2604.17663 · v1 · submitted 2026-04-19 · 💻 cs.LG · cs.AI· cs.CL

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ATLAS: Constitution-Conditioned Latent Geometry and Redistribution Across Language Models and Neural Perturbation Data

Gareth Seneque , Lap-Hang Ho , Nafise Erfanian Saeedi , Jeffrey Molendijk , Tim Elson
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keywords latent geometryconstitution-conditioned traininglanguage modelsneural perturbation datageometric recurrenceredistributionhidden statessource-defined family
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The pith

Written constitutions induce recoverable latent geometry that recurs across language models and neural perturbation data even as local details shift.

A machine-rendered reading of the paper's core claim, the machinery that carries it, and where it could break.

The paper treats constitution-conditioned post-training as a structured perturbation of a model's learned representational geometry. It introduces ATLAS to trace a source-local chart and the broader source-defined family of hidden states in Gemma that captures constitution-related behaviors. This family re-identifies in an unadapted Phi model with strong separation metrics and receives support across folds in mouse frontal-cortex perturbation data. The result is geometric recurrence under redistribution: the geometry's organisation stays detectable across model and substrate changes while its coordinates, occupancy, and behavioural expression shift. A sympathetic reader would care because it offers a way to track how abstract written rules shape internal representations without requiring fixed locations or behaviors.

Core claim

ATLAS tests local charts in hidden-state space whose tangent structure, occupancy distribution, and behavioural coupling are measured under system change. On Gemma the anchored source-local chart captures 310 of 320 reviewed source rows and all 84 score-flip rows, so the exportable unit is the broader source-defined family. Freezing that family yields re-identification in Phi with AUC 0.984 and mean gap 5.50, plus support in ALM8 mouse data across 5/5 folds with mean held-out AUC 0.72 and mean gap 4.50. The correspondence is geometric recurrence under redistribution rather than coordinate identity, site identity, or target-side mediation.

What carries the argument

The source-defined family of hidden states, which serves as the exportable unit for re-identification across models and substrates to demonstrate geometric recurrence under redistribution.

If this is right

  • The exportable unit is the broader source-defined family because compact exact-patch sufficiency does not close.
  • Nearby target-local signals can appear without source-faithful closure, providing the main boundary condition.
  • Support holds across all 5 folds in held-out mouse data with consistent mean gaps.
  • The detectable organisation remains while local coordinates, occupancy distributions, and behavioural couplings redistribute.

Where Pith is reading between the lines

These are editorial extensions of the paper, not claims the author makes directly.

  • If recurrence holds, checking for the source-defined family could allow transferring or predicting constitution effects between models without full retraining.
  • The method might enable direct comparison of how high-level rules alter representations in artificial and biological neural systems.
  • Testing the family in additional model architectures or perturbation datasets would clarify whether the recurrence is general or specific to the chosen source and targets.

Load-bearing premise

The source-local chart and source-defined family identified in Gemma can be re-identified in an unadapted Phi model and mouse perturbation data as evidence of geometric recurrence rather than coincidence or post-hoc selection.

What would settle it

Observing that the source-defined family fails to separate relevant contrasts with high AUC in additional unadapted models or shows no consistent support beyond chance in new neural perturbation datasets.

Figures

Figures reproduced from arXiv: 2604.17663 by Gareth Seneque, Jeffrey Molendijk, Lap-Hang Ho, Nafise Erfanian Saeedi, Tim Elson.

Figure 1
Figure 1. Figure 1: Gemma Source-Local Chart, Source-Defined Family, Phi Target-Local Realisation, ALM8 Held-Out Bridge Realisation, And Claim Tier 1.4 Related Work We position this study as a representation-level structural study of constitution-conditioned post￾training: closer to representational geometry and systems-neuroscience-style correspondence than to full mechanistic decomposition, generic steering, or deployable m… view at source ↗
Figure 2
Figure 2. Figure 2: Shared Experiment, Structural Validation, And Discovery [PITH_FULL_IMAGE:figures/full_fig_p007_2.png] view at source ↗
Figure 3
Figure 3. Figure 3: Gemma Source-Local Chart, Source-Defined Family, And Exact-Patch Boundary organisation; late_reason marks its most portable compact member rather than the whole exported unit, and answer-heavy late wins are better read as drift phases than as chart recovery. This is why the source-side case cannot be reduced to one compact patch even though it is anchored locally. The qualitative source-side audit points i… view at source ↗
Figure 4
Figure 4. Figure 4: Phi Search Band, Frozen Target-Local Lane, And Confirmatory Re-Identification condition the model more often lands on deceptive or mixed branches, while under constitutions￾v2-high_effective_mi it more often lands on honest substance even when stale shell tokens remain. Manual review is therefore not a cleanup step around the result; it is where the result becomes scientifically legible. The remaining sear… view at source ↗
Figure 5
Figure 5. Figure 5: ALM8 Held-Out Corroboration And Redistribution [PITH_FULL_IMAGE:figures/full_fig_p016_5.png] view at source ↗
Figure 6
Figure 6. Figure 6: MCQ Boundary: Local Signal, One-Sided Re-Entry, And Displacement (268 centroid-distance failures versus 6 basis-angle failures), so the failure is not explained by a small angular perturbation of the same local slot. 6.3 What The Boundary Means MCQ therefore functions as the paper’s explicit limiting boundary. Target-local localisation is not enough: the positive claim in this paper requires behavioural se… view at source ↗
Figure 7
Figure 7. Figure 7: Frozen Local Target, Replayable Denominator, And Bounded Prompt Manipulation 7.3 Limitations and Future Work The main limitations remain occupancy-faithful closure and loose behaviour coupling. The current evidence does not establish exact cross-system identity, a target-side mediation theorem, compact patch sufficiency, or a deployable monitor. Future work will focus on improvements to our geometry￾first … view at source ↗
read the original abstract

Constitution-conditioned post-training can be analysed as a structured perturbation of a model's learned representational geometry. We introduce ATLAS, a geometry-first program that traces constitution-induced hidden-state structure across charts, models, and substrates. Instead of treating the relevant unit as a single behaviour, neuron, vector, or patch, ATLAS tests a local chart whose tangent structure, occupancy distribution, and behavioural coupling can be measured under system change. On Gemma, the anchored source-local chart captures 310 / 320 reviewed source rows and all 84 / 84 reviewed score-flip rows, but compact exact-patch sufficiency does not close, so the exportable unit is the broader source-defined family. Freezing that family, we re-identify a target-local realisation in an unadapted Phi model, where the fully adjudicated confirmatory contrast separates with AUC 0.984 and mean gap 5.50. In held-out ALM8 mouse frontal-cortex perturbation data, the same source-defined family receives support across 5/5 folds, with mean held-out AUC 0.72 and mean fold gap 4.50. A multiple-choice analysis provides the main boundary: nearby target-local signals can appear without source-faithful closure. The resulting correspondence is not coordinate identity, site identity, or a target-side mediation theorem. It is geometric recurrence under redistribution: written constitutions can induce recoverable latent geometry whose organisation remains detectable across model and substrate changes while its local coordinates, occupancy, and behavioural expression shift.

Editorial analysis

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Referee Report

2 major / 1 minor

Summary. The manuscript introduces ATLAS, a geometry-first framework for analyzing how written constitutions induce structured perturbations in the latent geometry of language models. Using Gemma as the source, it identifies a local chart and broader source-defined family that captures 310/320 source rows and all 84/84 score-flip rows. Freezing this family, the authors report re-identification in an unadapted Phi model (AUC 0.984, mean gap 5.50) and support in held-out ALM8 mouse frontal-cortex perturbation data (mean AUC 0.72 across 5/5 folds). The central claim is geometric recurrence under redistribution: the organisation of constitution-induced latent structure remains detectable across model architectures and neural substrates, even as local coordinates, occupancy, and behavioural expression shift. A multiple-choice analysis is presented as the main boundary condition against nearby but non-faithful signals.

Significance. If the reported cross-domain re-identification holds under pre-specified procedures, the result would be a substantive contribution to mechanistic interpretability and alignment research. It would provide concrete evidence that constitutional post-training can induce recoverable geometric signatures that transfer beyond a single model family and even into biological perturbation data, moving beyond neuron- or vector-level analyses to chart- and family-level invariants. This could open new avenues for testing alignment robustness and for linking artificial and neural representational geometry.

major comments (2)
  1. [Abstract] Abstract: The re-identification procedure for the source-defined family in the unadapted Phi model and ALM8 mouse data is not specified (e.g., fixed thresholds, embedding similarity, or data-dependent optimization). Without pre-specification of chart selection criteria, tangent-structure measurement, occupancy metrics, or the exact matching rule, the reported AUC 0.984 and 5/5-fold support cannot be distinguished from post-hoc selection of a family that aligns with target signals, as the manuscript itself flags with the multiple-choice boundary condition.
  2. [Abstract] Abstract: No methods, derivations, data details, exclusion criteria, or error bars are provided for the AUC values, mean gaps, or fold-wise results. The central claim that the source-local chart and family constitute an exportable unit rests on these quantities; their absence makes it impossible to evaluate robustness or rule out circularity in family definition.
minor comments (1)
  1. [Abstract] Abstract: The phrasing 'compact exact-patch sufficiency does not close' is unclear without accompanying definitions or equations for patch sufficiency.

Simulated Author's Rebuttal

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We thank the referee for the careful and constructive review. The comments correctly identify that the abstract, as a high-level summary, omits key procedural details needed to assess pre-specification and robustness. We will revise the manuscript to address this by expanding the abstract and ensuring the main text provides explicit descriptions of the methods.

read point-by-point responses

  1. Referee: [Abstract] Abstract: The re-identification procedure for the source-defined family in the unadapted Phi model and ALM8 mouse data is not specified (e.g., fixed thresholds, embedding similarity, or data-dependent optimization). Without pre-specification of chart selection criteria, tangent-structure measurement, occupancy metrics, or the exact matching rule, the reported AUC 0.984 and 5/5-fold support cannot be distinguished from post-hoc selection of a family that aligns with target signals, as the manuscript itself flags with the multiple-choice boundary condition.

    Authors: We agree that the abstract does not explicitly state the re-identification procedure. The source-defined family is constructed exclusively from the Gemma source data using the local chart's tangent structure and occupancy distribution; this family is then frozen and applied to the target domains without further optimization. Re-identification relies on a pre-specified matching rule based on embedding similarity to the source family members. The multiple-choice analysis is included precisely to demonstrate that nearby but non-source-faithful signals do not produce the same separation. To eliminate any ambiguity about post-hoc selection, we will revise the abstract to state these pre-specification steps explicitly and reference the source-only definition of the family. revision: yes

  2. Referee: [Abstract] Abstract: No methods, derivations, data details, exclusion criteria, or error bars are provided for the AUC values, mean gaps, or fold-wise results. The central claim that the source-local chart and family constitute an exportable unit rests on these quantities; their absence makes it impossible to evaluate robustness or rule out circularity in family definition.

    Authors: We agree that the abstract lacks these supporting details. The reported AUCs, mean gaps, and 5/5-fold results are computed from the frozen source-defined family applied to held-out target data, with the family definition fixed prior to any target evaluation to avoid circularity. In revision we will expand the abstract with a concise methods summary that includes the computation of AUC and gaps, the cross-validation procedure for the folds, and any exclusion criteria applied to the reviewed rows. The full manuscript will also supply the complete derivations, data descriptions, and error bars so that readers can directly assess robustness. revision: yes

Circularity Check

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No equations, derivations, or self-citations in abstract; claims rest on empirical re-identification without visible reduction to inputs.

full rationale

The provided abstract contains no equations, parameter-fitting steps, or citations. The central procedure—identifying a source-local chart and broader family on Gemma data then freezing and re-identifying it on Phi and mouse data—is described at a high level without any mathematical definition that would allow the re-identification to reduce tautologically to the original selection criteria. No load-bearing step is shown to be self-definitional, fitted-then-renamed-as-prediction, or dependent on a self-citation chain. The text therefore supplies no inspectable derivation chain that collapses by construction.

Axiom & Free-Parameter Ledger

0 free parameters · 0 axioms · 0 invented entities

The abstract does not specify any free parameters, axioms, or invented entities. The method ATLAS and concepts like source-local chart and geometric recurrence under redistribution appear to be introduced but without details on their foundations or independence from prior literature.

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