arxiv: 2604.19321 · v1 · submitted 2026-04-21 · 💻 cs.LG · cs.AI· cs.CL· cs.CV

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RDP LoRA: Geometry-Driven Identification for Parameter-Efficient Adaptation in Large Language Models

Yusuf \c{C}elebi , Ya\u{g}{\i}z Asker , \"Ozay Ezerceli , Mahmoud ElHussieni , Selva Ta\c{s} , Reyhan Bayraktar , Fatma Bet\"ul Terzio\u{g}lu

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keywords LoRARamer-Douglas-Peuckerlayer selectionhidden-state trajectoryparameter-efficient fine-tuningLLM adaptationgeometric simplification

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RDP simplification of hidden-state trajectories selects 13 layers whose LoRA adaptation outperforms both full and random layer choices on math benchmarks.

A machine-rendered reading of the paper's core claim, the machinery that carries it, and where it could break.

The paper models the progression of hidden states through an LLM's layers as a continuous geometric path in high-dimensional space. It applies the Ramer-Douglas-Peucker algorithm to simplify that path and locate its main structural turns, then uses those turns as the layers to adapt with LoRA. Experiments on Qwen3-8B-Base show that adapting only the 13 layers at these turns reaches 81.67 percent on MMLU-Math, higher than the 79.32 percent from adapting all 36 layers and the 75.56 percent from random selection of 13 layers. The selection process requires no task-specific training and supplies an interpretable signal based solely on the model's internal geometry. If the identified turns reliably mark the most consequential layers for a given task, then parameter-efficient adaptation can be made both cheaper and more precise without exhaustive search.

Core claim

The evolution of hidden states across layers forms a high-dimensional trajectory; the Ramer-Douglas-Peucker algorithm extracts its essential breakpoints, and these breakpoints serve as the precise layers to adapt with LoRA. On the Qwen3-8B-Base model this geometry-driven choice of 13 layers produces 81.67 percent accuracy on MMLU-Math, exceeding the accuracy obtained by adapting every layer (79.32 percent) or by random selection of the same number of layers (75.56 percent).

What carries the argument

The Ramer-Douglas-Peucker algorithm applied to the sequence of hidden-state vectors across layers, which simplifies the trajectory by removing locally redundant points while preserving global structural transitions and thereby identifies the layers whose adaptation yields the largest gains.

If this is right

A small number of layers selected by geometry suffices to exceed the performance of adapting every layer.
Layer choice for LoRA can be decided from a single forward pass without any gradient computation or validation search.
The same geometric signal improves results over random selection, indicating that the breakpoints carry task-relevant information.
The approach supplies an explicit, visualizable criterion for deciding adaptation locations inside any transformer stack.

Where Pith is reading between the lines

These are editorial extensions of the paper, not claims the author makes directly.

The same trajectory-simplification step could be used to decide which layers to prune or to quantize with minimal loss.
If geometric breakpoints align with functional specialization, the method may reveal why certain layers contribute more to mathematical reasoning than to other capabilities.
Extending the analysis to intermediate checkpoints during pre-training might show how representation geometry changes as models acquire new skills.

Load-bearing premise

The structural turns found by simplifying the hidden-state trajectory mark the layers whose adaptation produces the largest performance improvement on the target task.

What would settle it

Applying the identical RDP procedure to a different model or task and observing that the selected layers fail to outperform both full-layer adaptation and random selection of the same count.

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Figures reproduced from arXiv: 2604.19321 by Fatma Bet\"ul Terzio\u{g}lu, Mahmoud ElHussieni, \"Ozay Ezerceli, Reyhan Bayraktar, Selva Ta\c{s}, Ya\u{g}{\i}z Asker, Yusuf \c{C}elebi.

**Figure 2.** Figure 2: Dimension-Agnostic Simplification in 3D. Visualization of the RDP algorithm applied to a 3D trajectory. The algorithm identifies structural pivots (emphasized points) based on maximum orthogonal deviation, preserving the global topology while filtering local noise. dimensions can be treated as high-dimensional trajectories to which RDP can be directly applied in a training-free manner. This property enab… view at source ↗

**Figure 1.** Figure 1: Ramer–Douglas–Peucker (RDP) Algorithm: Noise suppression and identification of structural pivot points in a 2D signal. abstraction is clearly modifiable. The algorithm’s operation on a 2D signal, as demonstrated in [PITH_FULL_IMAGE:figures/full_fig_p003_1.png] view at source ↗

**Figure 3.** Figure 3: Full Semantic Trajectory: Raw spatial arrangement of distinct conceptual groups (mathematics, music, technology, food, emotions, animals) within the representation space (Valeriani et al., 2023; Lee et al., 2025). positioning within this representation space (Grand et al., 2022). As an instance, although the term ”apple” denotes a fruit in a literal sense, its embedding stabilizes closer to the tech cluste… view at source ↗

**Figure 5.** Figure 5: ) [PITH_FULL_IMAGE:figures/full_fig_p005_5.png] view at source ↗

**Figure 7.** Figure 7: Multi-Scale RDP Layer Distribution on Target = 6: The frequency with which layers are selected as pivots (t). stochastic variations induced by individual inputs and reveals the model’s global topological behavior. Then, the Ramer–Douglas–Peucker (RDP) algorithm is used on this ensemble of trajectories, mapping the layer-wise structural density of the model as a collective statistical measure [PITH_FULL_I… view at source ↗

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Fine-tuning Large Language Models (LLMs) remains structurally uncertain despite parameter-efficient methods such as Low-Rank Adaptation (LoRA), as the layer-specific roles of internal representations are poorly understood, leading to heuristic decisions about where adaptation should be applied. We model the evolution of hidden states as a high-dimensional geometric trajectory and propose using the Ramer-Douglas-Peucker (RDP) algorithm, a parameter-free and training-free polygon simplification method that preserves global structural transitions while eliminating locally redundant changes, to identify critical breakpoints along the representation path. Crucially, we use these geometric pivots not merely for analysis, but as a direct decision signal for determining which layers should be adapted during parameter-efficient fine-tuning. By integrating this geometry-aware layer selection strategy into LoRA fine-tuning of Qwen3-8B-Base, we achieve superior performance on MMLU-Math using only 13 RDP-selected layers (81.67%), significantly outperforming both full 36-layer adaptation (79.32%) and random 13-layer selection (75.56%), as well as the baseline Qwen3-8B-Base model (74.25%). These results demonstrate that leveraging the intrinsic geometry of representation trajectories provides a robust, interpretable, and training-free signal for optimizing layer selection during model adaptation.

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Referee Report

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Summary. The paper proposes RDP LoRA, which applies the Ramer-Douglas-Peucker (RDP) polygon simplification algorithm to the high-dimensional trajectory of hidden-state activations across layers in an LLM. The resulting geometric breakpoints are used as a training-free, parameter-free signal to select a subset of layers for LoRA adaptation. On Qwen3-8B-Base fine-tuned for MMLU-Math, the method reports 81.67% accuracy using only 13 RDP-selected layers, outperforming full 36-layer adaptation (79.32%), random 13-layer selection (75.56%), and the untuned base model (74.25%).

Significance. If the geometric breakpoints reliably identify layers whose adaptation yields the largest task gains, the approach supplies an interpretable, zero-cost alternative to heuristic or exhaustive layer selection in parameter-efficient fine-tuning. The parameter-free and training-free character of the RDP step is a clear strength that distinguishes it from learned or gradient-based selection methods.

major comments (2)

[Abstract and §4] Abstract and §4 (Experimental Results): the headline accuracies (81.67 % vs. 79.32 %) are single-run point estimates with no reported standard deviations, multiple random seeds, or statistical tests. Because LoRA training is stochastic, the 2.35 pp margin cannot be distinguished from optimizer or data-ordering noise, directly weakening the central claim that RDP selection is superior to full adaptation.
[§3.2] §3.2 (RDP Layer Selection): the mapping from geometric breakpoints to performance-critical layers rests on the unverified assumption that RDP pivots coincide with layers whose adaptation produces the largest task-specific gains. No ablation isolating this correspondence, no theoretical argument, and no cross-task or cross-model validation are provided to support the assumption.

minor comments (2)

[§3.1] Notation for the RDP tolerance parameter and the precise definition of the hidden-state trajectory (e.g., which token positions or pooling are used) should be stated explicitly in §3.1 to allow exact reproduction.
[§4] The manuscript should clarify whether the reported MMLU-Math numbers use the standard 5-shot or 0-shot protocol and whether any prompt formatting differences exist across the compared conditions.

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Thank you for the referee's constructive feedback. We address each major comment point by point below, acknowledging limitations in the current experiments and outlining specific revisions to strengthen the statistical evidence and empirical support for the layer-selection assumption.

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Referee: [Abstract and §4] Abstract and §4 (Experimental Results): the headline accuracies (81.67 % vs. 79.32 %) are single-run point estimates with no reported standard deviations, multiple random seeds, or statistical tests. Because LoRA training is stochastic, the 2.35 pp margin cannot be distinguished from optimizer or data-ordering noise, directly weakening the central claim that RDP selection is superior to full adaptation.

Authors: We agree that the reported accuracies are single-run point estimates and that the absence of standard deviations, multiple seeds, or statistical tests limits the strength of the claim. LoRA training is indeed stochastic, so the 2.35 pp difference could partly reflect noise. In the revised manuscript we will rerun the experiments with at least five independent random seeds, report mean accuracies together with standard deviations, and include paired statistical tests (e.g., Welch’s t-test) comparing RDP selection against both full adaptation and random selection. These additions will be placed in §4 and referenced in the abstract. revision: yes
Referee: [§3.2] §3.2 (RDP Layer Selection): the mapping from geometric breakpoints to performance-critical layers rests on the unverified assumption that RDP pivots coincide with layers whose adaptation produces the largest task-specific gains. No ablation isolating this correspondence, no theoretical argument, and no cross-task or cross-model validation are provided to support the assumption.

Authors: The RDP pivots are defined by maximal curvature changes in the hidden-state trajectory; we hypothesize these mark layers where representational shifts are most consequential for the downstream task. The current results provide indirect support: the 13 RDP-selected layers outperform both random 13-layer selection (by 6.11 pp) and full 36-layer adaptation (by 2.35 pp). Nevertheless, we acknowledge the lack of a direct ablation that isolates the correspondence, a formal theoretical link, and cross-task or cross-model evidence. In revision we will add an ablation study in §4 that compares RDP selection against gradient-norm and attention-score heuristics on the same Qwen3-8B-Base / MMLU-Math setting, and we will expand the geometric motivation in §3.2. A complete theoretical derivation and broad cross-task validation lie beyond the scope of the present work and will be noted as directions for future research. revision: partial

Circularity Check

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No circularity: RDP layer selection is pre-training and independent of reported accuracies

full rationale

The derivation applies the standard, parameter-free Ramer-Douglas-Peucker algorithm directly to hidden-state trajectories extracted from the base Qwen3-8B-Base model before any fine-tuning occurs. Layer indices are fixed by geometric breakpoints in these trajectories; the subsequent LoRA fine-tuning and MMLU-Math evaluation numbers are purely downstream measurements that play no role in determining which layers are selected. No parameters are fitted to task performance, no self-citations supply the core uniqueness claim, and the selection rule contains no reference to the accuracy figures that are later reported. The chain is therefore self-contained and non-circular.

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The central claim rests on modeling hidden states as trajectories and assuming RDP breakpoints identify adaptation-critical layers; limited information is available from the abstract alone.

axioms (2)

domain assumption Hidden-state evolution across LLM layers forms a high-dimensional geometric trajectory whose global structure can be captured by polygon simplification.
This premise is required to justify applying RDP to representation paths.
ad hoc to paper RDP-identified breakpoints correspond to layers whose adaptation yields the largest task-specific gains.
This links the geometric output directly to the fine-tuning decision rule.

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