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· Lean TheoremCurriculum Learning-Guided Progressive Distillation in Large Language Models
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The pith
Aligning data difficulty with teacher strength boosts distillation
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Core claim
CLPD constructs an explicit curriculum by organizing training examples from easy to hard, while simultaneously applying an implicit curriculum over supervision signals by progressively scheduling teachers of increasing capacity. This unified framework outperforms standard distillation, data ordering alone, and teacher scheduling alone on reasoning benchmarks.
What carries the argument
The CLPD framework aligning an explicit data difficulty curriculum with an implicit teacher capacity curriculum
Load-bearing premise
That examples in the training set have a stable, meaningful difficulty ranking that aligns with teacher capacities without causing mismatches
What would settle it
Observing no performance difference when the data order is randomized but the teacher progression is kept would falsify the importance of the alignment
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Knowledge distillation is a key technique for transferring the capabilities of large language models (LLMs) into smaller, more efficient student models. Existing distillation approaches often overlook two critical factors: the learning order of training data and the capacity mismatch between teacher and student models. This oversight limits distillation performance, as manifested by the counter-intuitive phenomenon where stronger teachers fail to produce better students. In this work, we propose Curriculum Learning-Guided Progressive Distillation (CLPD), a unified framework that explicitly accounts for both factors by aligning data difficulty with teacher strength. CLPD constructs an explicit curriculum by organizing training examples from easy to hard, while simultaneously applying an implicit curriculum over supervision signals by progressively scheduling teachers of increasing capacity. Our framework is modular and can be integrated into standard distillation algorithms with minimal overhead. Empirical results on the reasoning benchmarks demonstrate that CLPD consistently outperforms standard distillation, data ordering alone, and teacher scheduling alone across multiple settings. These findings highlight the importance of jointly considering data ordering and teacher capacity when distilling reasoning abilities into small language models.
Editorial analysis
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Referee Report
Summary. The paper proposes Curriculum Learning-Guided Progressive Distillation (CLPD), a modular framework for LLM knowledge distillation that combines an explicit curriculum ordering training examples from easy to hard with an implicit curriculum that progressively schedules teachers of increasing capacity. It claims this joint alignment addresses capacity mismatch and data-ordering issues, yielding consistent outperformance over standard distillation, data ordering alone, and teacher scheduling alone on reasoning benchmarks.
Significance. If the empirical results hold under scrutiny, the work offers a practical, low-overhead extension to existing distillation pipelines that could improve transfer of reasoning capabilities to smaller models. The modularity and explicit handling of two known failure modes (stronger teachers not always producing stronger students, and suboptimal data ordering) are strengths that could influence follow-on research in efficient LLM training.
major comments (2)
- [Method / Experiments] The central empirical claim requires that a single difficulty ordering of examples remains stably aligned with a sequence of teachers of increasing capacity. No section demonstrates that the chosen ordering (whether loss-based, length-based, or otherwise) is consistent across student sizes or robust to reasonable variations in the difficulty metric; without such evidence the reported gains over the separate ablations cannot be attributed to the unified framework rather than to a particular, non-general alignment.
- [Abstract] The abstract states that CLPD 'consistently outperforms' the three baselines 'across multiple settings' yet supplies no information on the reasoning benchmarks used, the concrete difficulty metric, teacher/student model sizes, number of runs, or statistical tests. This absence makes the load-bearing performance claim impossible to evaluate from the manuscript as presented.
minor comments (1)
- [Abstract] The phrase 'counter-intuitive phenomenon where stronger teachers fail to produce better students' would benefit from a citation to prior distillation literature that documents this mismatch.
Simulated Author's Rebuttal
We thank the referee for their constructive and detailed feedback, which identifies key areas where the manuscript can be strengthened. We address each major comment below and outline the revisions we will incorporate to improve clarity, robustness, and evaluability of the claims.
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Referee: [Method / Experiments] The central empirical claim requires that a single difficulty ordering of examples remains stably aligned with a sequence of teachers of increasing capacity. No section demonstrates that the chosen ordering (whether loss-based, length-based, or otherwise) is consistent across student sizes or robust to reasonable variations in the difficulty metric; without such evidence the reported gains over the separate ablations cannot be attributed to the unified framework rather than to a particular, non-general alignment.
Authors: We agree that demonstrating the stability of the difficulty ordering across student sizes and its robustness to metric variations is necessary to attribute gains specifically to the joint CLPD framework. Our current results use a loss-based ordering and show consistent outperformance over ablations, but we did not include explicit cross-size consistency checks or alternative-metric comparisons. In the revised manuscript we will add a dedicated analysis subsection that (i) evaluates the same loss-based ordering on student models ranging from 1B to 7B parameters and (ii) reports performance when the ordering is derived from length-based and perplexity-based metrics instead. These additions will clarify whether the observed benefits generalize beyond a single alignment choice. revision: yes
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Referee: [Abstract] The abstract states that CLPD 'consistently outperforms' the three baselines 'across multiple settings' yet supplies no information on the reasoning benchmarks used, the concrete difficulty metric, teacher/student model sizes, number of runs, or statistical tests. This absence makes the load-bearing performance claim impossible to evaluate from the manuscript as presented.
Authors: We acknowledge that the current abstract is insufficiently specific and prevents readers from assessing the empirical claims. In the revised version we will expand the abstract to state the concrete reasoning benchmarks (GSM8K, MATH), the difficulty metric (loss-based), the teacher and student model sizes (teachers from 7B to 70B, students 1B–3B), the number of independent runs (three), and the use of statistical significance testing (paired t-tests, p < 0.05). This will make the performance statements directly evaluable while preserving the abstract’s brevity. revision: yes
Circularity Check
Empirical modular framework with no load-bearing self-referential steps
full rationale
The manuscript presents CLPD as a practical combination of explicit data curriculum (easy-to-hard ordering) and implicit teacher scheduling (progressive capacity increase). All central claims rest on empirical outperformance versus standard distillation, data-ordering alone, and teacher-scheduling alone on reasoning benchmarks. No equations, fitted parameters, or derivations are introduced that reduce any reported gain to a quantity defined inside the paper itself. Prior curriculum-learning and distillation literature is cited only for background; the framework is explicitly modular and requires no uniqueness theorems or self-citation chains to justify its construction. The derivation chain is therefore self-contained and externally falsifiable via the reported experiments.
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- domain assumption Training examples possess a stable difficulty ordering that can be discovered and used for curriculum construction
- domain assumption Teacher models of increasing capacity can be scheduled to provide progressively better supervision signals without introducing harmful mismatches
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CLPD constructs an explicit curriculum by organizing training examples from easy to hard, while simultaneously applying an implicit curriculum over supervision signals by progressively scheduling teachers of increasing capacity.
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We estimate example difficulty using one of two strategies... When CoT demonstrations are not available, we instead estimate difficulty using the student model itself... record the loss
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Multiply by the number of units. 19 The discounted price per unit is: 500 18 ≈27.78 LetPbe the original price per unit. Since the discounted price is 80% of the original: 0.8P= 27.78 Solving forP: P≈34.725 The total original price for 18 units is: 18×34.725 = 625 Thus, the original price is: 625 Qwen-2.5-7B Instruct To solve this problem, let’s break it d...
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