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arxiv: 2606.20632 · v2 · pith:BKQNHRLI · submitted 2026-05-30 · cs.CL · cs.AI· cs.CY

Post-Training Recipe, More Than Model Family, Shapes Multi-Agent LLM Conversational Behavior

Luyang Zhang , Jialu Wang , Fei Xue , Yi-Yun Chu This is my paper

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classification cs.CL cs.AIcs.CY
keywords multi-LLM systemshedging behaviorpost-training recipemodel familyconversational diversityinteractive agentsLlama checkpoints
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The pith

Post-training recipe shifts multi-LLM hedging rates more than model family does.

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The paper tests whether selecting models from different families reliably produces conversational diversity in interactive multi-LLM systems. It measures hedging across a 940,000-chain corpus and a controlled 1.6M-chain same-base Llama factorial. A reasoning-distilled Llama checkpoint varies its hedging by 18 percent depending on its same-base partner, exceeding any cross-family gap in the controlled subset. The pattern appears in Qwen and closed-API checks as well. This indicates that post-training choices form a first-class axis for composing multi-LLM panels.

Core claim

In interactive multi-LLM conversations, post-training recipe determines hedging behavior more strongly than model family, as shown by larger within-family shifts than between-family differences on the validated hedging metric.

What carries the argument

Hedging rate measured across same-base Llama factorial experiments compared against cross-family baselines in the 940,000-chain corpus.

If this is right

  • Panel composition guidelines should treat post-training variants as distinct sources of behavioral difference.
  • Within-family model pools can supply more diversity than family-based selection rules assume.
  • The same pattern observed in open checkpoints extends to closed-API and additional families such as Qwen.

Where Pith is reading between the lines

These are editorial extensions of the paper, not claims the author makes directly.

  • Stronger detectors for repair and challenge behaviors could test whether the post-training effect holds beyond hedging.
  • Agent-team design might gain from explicit tracking of fine-tuning history rather than base-model lineage alone.
  • Repeating the factorial design on non-hedging surface cues would clarify the scope of the finding.

Load-bearing premise

The hedging metric reliably stands in for overall conversational diversity in multi-LLM interactions.

What would settle it

Finding no hedging-rate shift within same-base models or larger cross-family gaps under the same controlled conditions would disprove the central result.

Figures

Figures reproduced from arXiv: 2606.20632 by Fei Xue, Jialu Wang, Luyang Zhang, Yi-Yun Chu.

Figure 1
Figure 1. Figure 1: T1 marginal rates averaged across the cells where each recipe appears as T1, scored on the full-reply instrument (10,000-seed pool that includes Tülu-SFT). This descriptive baseline shows recipe-level response style before the paired T2 partner-conditional test in [PITH_FULL_IMAGE:figures/full_fig_p005_1.png] view at source ↗
Figure 2
Figure 2. Figure 2: (a) T2 hedging rate (final-paragraph instru￾ment) by T1 recipe on the same Llama-3.1-8B base. (b) Recipe-axis effect on T2 hedging across families and APIs, where positive means a reasoning T1 increases T2 hedging and negative means it decreases T2 hedging. The plotted rates are partner-conditioned effects, not standalone recipe-quality scores. the headline contrast and is the direct same-base ev￾idence th… view at source ↗
Figure 3
Figure 3. Figure 3: Runtime-axis cue-rate shifts on identical [PITH_FULL_IMAGE:figures/full_fig_p007_3.png] view at source ↗
Figure 4
Figure 4. Figure 4: Mean pairwise Jensen-Shannon divergence over the joint (challenge, repair, hedging) T1-marginal surface-cue distribution for three matched k=3 panels. This is a surface-cue diagnostic, not a downstream accu￾racy measure. The recipe-diverse panel with R1-Distill achieves 7.5× the family-diverse baseline; removing R1-Distill makes the same construction 6× worse. 5 Implications for multi-agent LLM panel diagn… view at source ↗
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Multi-LLM systems use multiple language models to deliberate, judge each other's outputs, or coordinate as agents. Their value depends on the models producing measurably different conversational behaviors when given the same input. Prior offline studies recommend drawing one model per family for behavioral diversity, because LLMs prefer outputs from their own family when rating one another in isolation. Whether the same family label predicts behavior in interactive multi-LLM systems, the setting that real deployed systems use, has not been tested. We study this with a 940,000-chain 11-checkpoint corpus and a 1.6M-chain same-base Llama factorial. On our validated headline metric, hedging, a reasoning-distilled Llama checkpoint shifts by 18% depending on which same-base partner it replies to, more than any cross-family hedging gap in the controlled subset. Qwen, closed-API, and runtime checks suggest the pattern is not isolated, while repair and challenge analyses remain exploratory because their surface-cue detectors are weaker. Overall, the results identify post-training recipe as a first-class axis for multi-LLM panel composition and show that model family alone is an incomplete proxy for conversational diversity.

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Referee Report

2 major / 1 minor

Summary. The paper claims that in interactive multi-LLM systems, post-training recipe (e.g., reasoning distillation) shapes conversational behaviors such as hedging more than model family, based on a 940,000-chain corpus and a 1.6M-chain same-base Llama factorial experiment. On the validated hedging metric, a Llama checkpoint exhibits an 18% shift depending on its same-base partner, exceeding any cross-family hedging gap in the controlled subset; the authors conclude that model family is an incomplete proxy and post-training is a first-class axis for multi-agent panel composition, while noting repair and challenge analyses remain exploratory due to weaker detectors.

Significance. If the hedging metric is shown to be a reliable proxy for overall conversational diversity in interactive settings, the result would meaningfully revise prior offline recommendations to select one model per family for behavioral diversity. The factorial design isolating partner effects at 1.6M scale is a clear strength, providing falsifiable, large-N evidence that post-training variants can drive larger behavioral differences than family boundaries.

major comments (2)
  1. [Abstract] Abstract: The inference that post-training recipe is a first-class axis for conversational diversity is load-bearing on the claim that the validated hedging metric proxies overall diversity. The abstract explicitly states that repair and challenge analyses are exploratory because their surface-cue detectors are weaker; without reported correlations between hedging and these other behaviors (or validation that hedging captures interaction dynamics in the 1.6M-chain factorial), the generalization from the 18% hedging shift to broader diversity does not follow.
  2. [Factorial experiment] Factorial experiment section: The headline result that the 18% within-same-base Llama shift exceeds cross-family gaps is presented without accompanying details on statistical controls, data exclusions, or metric validation in the interactive setting. This makes it impossible to evaluate whether the difference is robust or potentially confounded, directly affecting the central cross-family comparison claim.
minor comments (1)
  1. [Abstract] Abstract: The phrase 'validated headline metric' would benefit from an inline pointer to the specific validation procedure or table reporting inter-annotator agreement or offline accuracy.

Simulated Author's Rebuttal

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We thank the referee for their constructive review and for highlighting areas where additional clarity would strengthen the manuscript. We respond to each major comment below, clarifying the scope of our claims and committing to targeted revisions.

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  1. Referee: [Abstract] The inference that post-training recipe is a first-class axis for conversational diversity is load-bearing on the claim that the validated hedging metric proxies overall diversity. The abstract explicitly states that repair and challenge analyses are exploratory because their surface-cue detectors are weaker; without reported correlations between hedging and these other behaviors (or validation that hedging captures interaction dynamics in the 1.6M-chain factorial), the generalization from the 18% hedging shift to broader diversity does not follow.

    Authors: We do not claim that hedging proxies overall conversational diversity. The manuscript presents hedging as the validated headline metric and explicitly flags repair and challenge analyses as exploratory due to weaker detectors. The conclusion that post-training is a first-class axis is grounded in the 18% shift observed on this metric. To prevent misinterpretation, we will revise the abstract and discussion to state explicitly that the primary claim concerns hedging behavior rather than implying a broader proxy for diversity. revision: partial

  2. Referee: [Factorial experiment] The headline result that the 18% within-same-base Llama shift exceeds cross-family gaps is presented without accompanying details on statistical controls, data exclusions, or metric validation in the interactive setting. This makes it impossible to evaluate whether the difference is robust or potentially confounded, directly affecting the central cross-family comparison claim.

    Authors: The factorial experiment section outlines the 1.6M-chain design and partner-effect isolation. We acknowledge that explicit details on statistical controls, data exclusions, and interactive validation of the hedging metric were not sufficiently highlighted. We will add these details (including fixed effects, exclusion criteria, and validation steps) to the revised manuscript to allow full evaluation of robustness. revision: yes

Circularity Check

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No circularity: purely empirical measurement study with no derivations or fitted reductions

full rationale

The paper reports direct empirical measurements from 940k and 1.6M interaction chains, comparing hedging rates across same-base and cross-family checkpoints. No equations, predictions, ansatzes, or uniqueness theorems are invoked; the headline claim is a numerical comparison (18% within-base shift) on a validated surface metric, with explicit limitations noted for weaker detectors. No self-citation load-bearing steps or self-definitional reductions appear. This matches the reader's 0.0 assessment.

Axiom & Free-Parameter Ledger

0 free parameters · 0 axioms · 0 invented entities

This is an empirical measurement study; the central claim rests on corpus-scale observation of hedging rather than on mathematical axioms, free parameters, or new postulated entities.

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