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Pick the class center, beat the fancy baselines
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load-bearing objection Simple, useful baseline for few-shot KD coreset selection, but the 'consistently surpasses' claim is overstated for pre-trained students. the 3 major comments →
Few-Medoids: An Embarrassingly Simple Coreset Selection Method for Few-Shot Knowledge Distillation
The pith
A machine-rendered reading of the paper's core claim, the machinery that carries it, and where it could break.
Core claim
The core discovery is that, for few-shot knowledge distillation, selecting samples that sit closest to the geometric center of their class distribution in the teacher's latent space yields better student performance than established coreset selection baselines. This advantage is most pronounced in the low-to-medium shot regime (1 to 32 samples per class) and when the student network is initialized from scratch. The method requires no training dynamics, no gradient computation, and no iterative optimization—it is a single-pass ranking by average pairwise L2 distance within each class.
What carries the argument
few-medoids: a per-class sample ranking computed as the average Euclidean (L2) distance between a sample's teacher-extracted feature vector and all other same-class feature vectors; samples with the lowest average distance are selected for the coreset.
Load-bearing premise
The method assumes that geometric centrality in the teacher's latent space is the right criterion for selecting distillation samples, but the paper provides no theoretical justification for why this should be the case, and the advantage disappears or reverses when the student model is pre-trained rather than trained from scratch.
What would settle it
If, in a broader range of teacher-student architecture pairs or datasets, few-medoids consistently underperforms random selection or herding—particularly for pre-trained students—the claim that centrality is a universally superior selection criterion would not hold.
If this is right
- Researchers using few-shot knowledge distillation can adopt few-medoids as a default, low-cost coreset selection method, potentially replacing more computationally expensive or less reliable baselines like herding and k-center Greedy.
- The result suggests that for distillation, representativeness (being close to the class center) may matter more than diversity (covering the spread of the class), challenging the assumptions behind coverage-maximizing selection methods.
- The finding that the method's advantage depends on whether the student is trained from scratch or pre-trained indicates that the optimal coreset selection strategy is contingent on the student's initialization state, opening a direction for adaptive selection methods.
- The simplicity and training-free nature of the method make it directly applicable to resource-constrained settings where reducing both training data and model size is necessary.
Editorial analysis
A structured set of objections, weighed in public.
Referee Report
Summary. The paper introduces few-medoids, a training-free coreset selection method for few-shot knowledge distillation (KD). The method selects, per class, the k samples with the lowest average L2 distance to all same-class samples in the teacher's frozen feature space. The authors evaluate the method on four datasets (CIFAR-10, CIFAR-100, Oxford Flowers 102, Food-101) and three teacher-student architecture pairs (ResNet-34→ResNet-18, ViT-B/16→ResNet-50, ViT-B/16→ViT-Small), comparing against random selection, herding, k-center Greedy, and a custom PCA-guided matching baseline. The central claim is that few-medoids consistently surpasses these baselines and can serve as a drop-in replacement for commonly used methods.
Significance. The paper's primary strength is the simplicity and parameter-free nature of few-medoids: it requires no fitted constants, uses only the teacher's frozen features, and is trivially reproducible. The authors release code publicly, which is commendable. The experimental matrix is reasonably broad (four datasets, three architecture pairs, eight values of k, five seeds). The observation that geometric centrality in the teacher's latent space helps from-scratch students more than pre-trained students is interesting and, if properly scoped and investigated, could be a useful empirical finding for the community.
major comments (3)
- The abstract states that few-medoids 'is able to consistently surpass the random selection baseline, as well as the other coreset selection strategies,' and the conclusion recommends it as a 'drop-in replacement for commonly-used baselines.' However, the paper's own ViT-B/16→ViT-Small results (Tables 3–6) contradict this: herding dominates for k≥4 across all four datasets, often by large margins (e.g., CIFAR-10 k=64: herding 94.53 vs. few-medoids 86.94; CIFAR-100 k=128: herding 84.18 vs. 77.57; Food-101 k=128: herding 86.86 vs. 83.82). The text in §4 acknowledges this exception, but the abstract and conclusion do not. The central claim's scope is broader than the evidence supports. The abstract and conclusion should be revised to state that the advantage holds primarily for students trained from scratch, or the 'consistently surpasses' claim should be withdrawn.
- The paper offers a post-hoc explanation for the ViT-B/16→ViT-Small results, speculating that few-medoids excels when the student is trained from scratch because 'its initial latent space is not semantically organized a priori' (§4). This is a load-bearing mechanistic claim—distinguishing the from-scratch and pre-trained regimes is central to scoping the contribution—but no experiment is provided to test it. A controlled experiment (e.g., initializing ViT-Small from scratch, or ablating the student initialization for a fixed teacher-student pair) would verify whether the gains are attributable to the selection method or to the training dynamics. Without this, the explanation remains speculative and the contribution's scope is unclear.
- No statistical significance tests are provided. Several of the reported wins in the from-scratch settings have margins within one standard deviation (e.g., Table 3, CIFAR-10 ResNet-34→ResNet-18, k=1: few-medoids 18.05±1.23 vs. herding 17.17±1.46; Table 5, Oxford Flowers 102, k=8: random 51.69±0.73 vs. few-medoids 51.44±0.59). Given that the paper claims 'consistent' superiority, at least a paired test across seeds for the key comparisons would clarify which wins are real rather than noise. This is particularly important for Oxford Flowers 102, where the authors themselves note the rankings are 'unstable' (§4).
minor comments (6)
- Table 1: Oxford Flowers 102 lists 'Images per class' for the train split as '10' but the total training images as 1,020. This is consistent (102 classes × 10 = 1,020), but the formatting is confusing because the other datasets show per-class counts that are more intuitive. A brief note clarifying this constraint would help.
- §4, Hyperparameters: The learning rate 'varies between 5·10^{-2} and 10^{-4},' but it is unclear which architecture uses which rate. Specifying the per-architecture learning rate would improve reproducibility.
- Figure 1: The y-axis ranges differ across subfigures (e.g., panel (a) starts at 20, panel (b) starts at 0), which can visually exaggerate or compress differences. Consider using a consistent axis range or clearly marking the broken axis.
- §2, Related Work: The distinction between few-medoids and the medium-difficulty approach of Chen et al. [6] is discussed qualitatively but not empirically. Including medium-difficulty selection as a baseline would strengthen the comparison, or the authors should explain why they chose not to include it.
- Algorithm 1, line 4: The average distance is computed as (1/m) * sum over j=1..m, which includes the distance from x_i to itself (zero). This does not affect the ranking but is technically a minor bias. The normalization could use m−1.
- The term 'embarrassingly simple' appears in the title, abstract, and body. While not incorrect, it is informal for a journal submission. Consider 'A Simple Coreset Selection Method' or similar. This would improve readability.
Simulated Author's Rebuttal
We thank the referee for a careful and constructive review. The referee raises three major points: (1) the abstract and conclusion overstate the scope of our 'consistently surpasses' claim relative to the ViT-B/16→ViT-Small results, (2) the mechanistic explanation for the from-scratch vs. pre-trained student distinction is speculative without a controlled ablation, and (3) no statistical significance tests are provided despite some margins falling within one standard deviation. We agree with all three points and will revise the manuscript accordingly.
read point-by-point responses
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Referee: The abstract and conclusion overstate the 'consistently surpasses' claim, which is contradicted by the ViT-B/16→ViT-Small results where herding dominates for k≥4.
Authors: The referee is correct. Our abstract and conclusion currently state that few-medoids 'consistently surpasses' all baselines and recommend it as a 'drop-in replacement,' but the ViT-B/16→ViT-Small results in Tables 3–6 clearly show herding dominating for k≥4 across all four datasets, often by large margins. This is a genuine overstatement of scope. We will revise both the abstract and conclusion to explicitly scope the claim: few-medoids consistently outperforms baselines when the student is trained from scratch (ResNet-34→ResNet-18, ViT-B/16→ResNet-50), while for pre-trained students (ViT-B/16→ViT-Small), herding is generally superior for k≥4 and few-medoids is competitive only for k≤2. The phrase 'drop-in replacement' will be qualified or removed. revision: yes
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Referee: The post-hoc explanation for the ViT-B/16→ViT-Small results (that few-medoids excels for from-scratch students because their latent space is not semantically organized a priori) is a load-bearing mechanistic claim with no controlled experiment to test it.
Authors: We agree that this explanation is currently speculative. The distinction between from-scratch and pre-trained student regimes is central to scoping our contribution, and a controlled experiment is the right way to test it. We will conduct an ablation in which we initialize ViT-Small from scratch (rather than from pre-trained weights) for a fixed teacher (ViT-B/16), keeping all other hyperparameters constant, and compare few-medoids against herding under both initialization regimes. This will directly test whether the advantage of few-medoids is attributable to the selection method interacting with training dynamics, or to the student's initialization. If the experiment confirms our hypothesis, we will report it as empirical evidence rather than speculation; if it does not, we will revise the explanation accordingly. In either case, we will temper the language in §4 from a mechanistic claim to a hypothesis pending the ablation results. revision: yes
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Referee: No statistical significance tests are provided, and several reported wins have margins within one standard deviation, particularly on Oxford Flowers 102 where rankings are described as 'unstable.'
Authors: This is a fair point. Several of our reported margins are indeed within one standard deviation, and we should not claim 'consistent' superiority without formal testing. We will add paired statistical tests (e.g., paired t-tests or Wilcoxon signed-rank tests across the five seeds) for the key comparisons between few-medoids and each baseline, for each (dataset, architecture pair, k) setting. We will report p-values alongside the existing accuracy tables or in a supplementary table. We will also explicitly acknowledge in the text which wins are statistically significant and which are not, particularly for Oxford Flowers 102 where we already note instability. This will make the empirical claims more precise and honest about where the evidence is strong versus marginal. revision: yes
Circularity Check
No circularity: few-medoids is a parameter-free geometric selection method with no fitted constants and no self-citation load-bearing chain.
full rationale
The paper's central method, few-medoids, is defined in Algorithm 1 and Eq. (1) as selecting per-class samples with the lowest average L2 distance to all same-class samples in the teacher's frozen latent space. No parameters are fitted to the evaluation data: the method is parameter-free (using only the teacher's frozen features and L2 distance), and the KD hyperparameters (τ=4, λ1=0.6, λ2=0.4) are fixed across all experiments and not tuned per dataset or per method. The 'prediction' (which samples form the best coreset) is not equivalent to a fitted quantity by construction. Self-citations exist (Croitoru et al. [7], Ionescu et al. [16, 22]) but they are contextual references to prior work on diffusion models and few-shot distillation, not load-bearing justifications for the few-medoids method itself. The method is defined from first principles (geometric centrality via average L2 distance) and evaluated against external baselines (random, herding, k-center Greedy, PCA-guided matching) on independent benchmarks. The derivation chain is self-contained with no circular reduction.
Axiom & Free-Parameter Ledger
free parameters (4)
- τ (distillation temperature) =
4
- λ1 (KD loss weight) =
0.6
- λ2 (CE loss weight) =
0.4
- k (samples per class) =
{1,2,4,8,16,32,64,128}
axioms (4)
- domain assumption Euclidean distance in the teacher's latent feature space is a meaningful metric for sample centrality.
- domain assumption Samples near the class centroid in teacher-feature-space provide a better distillation signal than diverse or random samples.
- standard math Standard KD loss (Hinton et al. [21]) with fixed temperature and loss weights is an appropriate distillation framework.
- domain assumption The teacher fine-tuned on the target dataset provides useful features for coreset selection.
read the original abstract
Coreset selection aims to identify a small and highly representative subset of a massive dataset for efficient model training. The problem remains challenging even in the few-shot knowledge distillation (KD) setup, where a full-scale pre-trained teacher informs the student network. Typical sample selection strategies often struggle to surpass the random selection baseline. In this paper, we showcase few-medoids, an embarrassingly simple coreset selection strategy that chooses the samples closest to the centroid (average image) of each class. We present extensive KD experiments on four datasets, covering a wide range of image classification problems, and three teacher-student model pairs, comprising both convolutional and transformer networks. Although the proposed method is embarrassingly simple, our empirical results indicate that few-medoids is able to consistently surpass the random selection baseline, as well as the other coreset selection strategies. We therefore consider that few-medoids can be used as a drop-in replacement for commonly-used baselines (e.g. herding or k-center Greedy), in future research on coreset selection. To reproduce the reported results, we publicly release our code at https://github.com/CemilAndreiDilmac/Few-Shot-KD-Coreset.
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Different colors represent different food categories. Few-medoids (right) generates a more discriminative latent space than random coreset selection (left). Best viewed in color. 10
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