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This paper argues that judging multimodal answers should be tested and trained as three distinct capabilities—comparing chains of thought, ignoring response length, and catching process errors—and that MCTS-generated preference pairs delive
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load-bearing objection M-JudgeBench is a genuinely useful capability benchmark and the MCTS recipe shows real gains, but the SOTA claim in §4.2.2 is undercut by the paper's own Table 2. the 5 major comments →
Advancing Multimodal Judge Models through a Capability-Oriented Benchmark and MCTS-Driven Data Generation
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A machine-rendered reading of the paper's core claim, the machinery that carries it, and where it could break.
Core claim
A reliable judge requires two independently testable skills: deciding result correctness across reasoning styles and lengths, and detecting process errors even when the final answer is correct. The paper's central discovery is that most existing judge models, including proprietary ones, are poor at these skills—especially at resisting length bias and detecting subtle process flaws—and that structured Monte Carlo Tree Search rollouts produce exactly the contrastive data needed to train those skills. Adding about 13k such samples at either the supervised fine-tuning stage or the reinforcement-learning stage improves judge accuracy on new and existing benchmarks without degrading performance el
What carries the argument
M-JudgeBench is a benchmark of 3,712 curated pairwise instances organized into ten subtasks under three tasks: pairwise chain-of-thought comparison, length-bias avoidance, and process-error detection. Judge-MCTS is the data-generation framework that pairs with it: it runs Monte Carlo Tree Search over reasoning steps to produce four response classes—short-correct, short-error, long-correct, long-error—and then forms chosen–rejected pairs that differ in both correctness and length. The machinery works because the resulting supervision separates the dimensions a judge must attend to (correctness, process quality) from the dimensions it must ignore (length, style, wording).
Load-bearing premise
The benchmark labels are trustworthy: final answers are extracted from chains of thought and checked against ground truth by an LLM with exact-match filtering, and no human validation of the extracted labels is reported.
What would settle it
Take a random sample of M-JudgeBench pairs and have independent human annotators label which response is better without seeing the automated labels; if human agreement with the benchmark labels falls well below the level needed for reliable model ranking, then both the reported weaknesses of current judges and the reported improvements of M-Judger rest on noisy ground truth.
If this is right
- Judge evaluation should be organized around judgment capabilities rather than task categories; a benchmark built this way reveals failure modes that task-type benchmarks miss.
- Length bias and process-error blindness are widespread, even in the strongest proprietary judge systems, so they are not solved by scale alone.
- Adding a small amount of MCTS-generated reasoning pairs improves judge models across multiple base architectures, in both supervised and reinforcement-learning training settings.
- The MCTS data recipe is compatible with existing judge benchmarks: it maintains or improves accuracy on the older benchmarks while lifting performance on M-JudgeBench.
Where Pith is reading between the lines
- The same four-class pairing idea (short/long × correct/error) would likely transfer to text-only judge training, where process-error trajectories could be generated by the same tree-search mechanism without multimodal perception.
- Because the reported gains come from only 13k extra samples, the bottleneck in judge training may be the contrastive structure of the data rather than its volume; scaling MCTS rollouts further or adding process-error noise directly into the tree could yield additional gains.
- The benchmark's label-construction pipeline could be made stronger by replacing exact-match answer filtering with symbolic or verifier-based checking, which would make the reported diagnosis of judge weaknesses independent of a single extraction model.
- The very low accuracy on length-bias subtasks suggests that judge models are poorly calibrated about confidence, so reporting calibration alongside pairwise accuracy on M-JudgeBench would sharpen the diagnosis.
Editorial analysis
A structured set of objections, weighed in public.
Referee Report
Summary. The manuscript introduces M-JudgeBench, a capability-oriented benchmark for multimodal LLM judges, organized into ten subtasks across pairwise Chain-of-Thought comparison, length-bias avoidance, and process-error detection. Benchmark pairs are built by rolling out several MLLMs over seed questions, extracting answers with GPT-4.1, and filtering by exact match to ground truth; process-error pairs are produced by prompting models to inject subtle errors into correct reasoning chains. The paper also proposes Judge-MCTS, an OmegaPRM-style MCTS rollout scheme that yields short/long correct/error trajectories, and trains M-Judger models by SFT on 142k open-source pairs plus 13k MCTS pairs, optionally followed by DAPO RL. Main experiments report accuracy on M-JudgeBench, VL-RewardBench, and Multimodal RewardBench, with the claim in Sec. 4.2.2 that Qwen3-VL-8B enhanced by Judge-MCTS achieves state-of-the-art performance across all three benchmarks.
Significance. If the results held, the capability-oriented decomposition of judge reliability would be a useful step forward, and the MCTS-based data-generation recipe would offer a cost-efficient way to improve judge models with only 13k additional samples. The paper has concrete strengths: it evaluates a broad set of closed and open models, releases benchmark data and evaluation scripts, and reports gains on an existing benchmark (VL-RewardBench) that are independent of the authors' benchmark. Those positives make the contribution potentially valuable. However, the evidence is currently undermined by an internal contradiction in the stated SOTA claim, inconsistent numbers between Table 2 and Table 6, an unvalidated label pipeline, and a nonstandard benchmark subset. The significance is therefore conditional on correcting these issues.
major comments (5)
- [Sec. 4.2.2, Table 2] The claim that "Qwen3-VL-8B-Instruct enhanced by Judge-MCTS achieves state-of-the-art performance across all three benchmarks" is contradicted by the same table. On Multimodal RewardBench, R1-Reward scores 80.10, while M-Judger-RL-Qwen8B scores 65.52 and M-Judger-SFT-Qwen8B 65.67. The RL variant is also lower than its own base model (65.52 vs 65.74), which contradicts the statement in Sec. 4.2.2 that MCTS-augmented training "maintains or improves" existing-benchmark accuracy. The SOTA claim must be corrected, or the evaluation protocol re-run on a consistent subset with all baselines.
- [Table 2 vs. Table 6] The reported numbers for the same model are not internally consistent. M-Judger-RL-Qwen8B has overall M-JudgeBench accuracy 62.42 in Table 2 but 62.93 in Table 6. The task-level aggregates in Table 2 (Pairwise CoT 67.45, Length bias 44.53, Process error 92.14) do not match the subtask rows in Table 6; simple averaging of the four Pairwise CoT rows gives about 68.2, and the Length bias rows average about 53.4, not 44.53. If the task aggregates are sample-size weighted, the weighting should be stated; otherwise the two tables must be reconciled. This inconsistency undermines confidence in all reported experimental results.
- [Sec. 2.2] Benchmark label reliability is not established. Final answers are extracted by GPT-4.1 and matched to seed ground truth via exact-match filtering, but no human validation or inter-annotator agreement is reported. For the process-error subtasks, the correctness of the injected error and the preservation of the final answer are not verified beyond an LLM prompt. Since every conclusion about model weaknesses and improvements in Secs. 4.2.1-4.2.2 inherits these labels, a human audit of at least a random sample (and ideally the full benchmark) is necessary before M-JudgeBench can support claims about judge capabilities.
- [Sec. 4.2.2, Multimodal RewardBench] Excluding safety tasks from Multimodal RewardBench is a protocol change that makes comparison with published baseline numbers nontrivial. The 80.10 reported for R1-Reward may come from the full benchmark, so comparing it against M-Judger on a filtered subset can be misleading. Please either report scores on the full benchmark or explicitly define the subset and re-evaluate all baselines on exactly that subset.
- [Sec. 4.1.1] The prompt protocols are not uniform across model classes: specialized judge models (Unified Reward, UnifiedReward-Think, R1-Reward) use their original prompts with an appended instruction, while M-Judger and general-purpose models use a custom direct-output prompt. This confounds model capability with prompt adaptation, especially for the pairwise comparison task where output format matters. A prompt-sensitivity analysis or a unified protocol for all models is needed to make the comparisons fair.
minor comments (6)
- [Sec. 4.2.1, Table 1] Typographical issues: "performace" should be "performance", and "LLaV A" should be "LLaVA" throughout Tables 1 and 6.
- [Sec. F.1] The GitHub URL contains a space ("M Judger") and appears malformed; the repository link should be corrected.
- [Tables 2, 3, 6] Naming inconsistency: "M-Judger-SFT-Qwen4B" and "M-Judger-RL-Qwen4B" do not identify the underlying Qwen3-VL-4B-Instruct model; make the base model name explicit in the table row labels.
- [Table 4 vs. Sec. 2.3] The seed data table sums to 3,276 questions, while the benchmark contains 3,712 instances. Clarify whether one seed question can yield multiple pairs and provide per-subtask pair counts so the arithmetic is transparent.
- [Sec. 3.2 vs. Sec. 4.1.2] The method is described as following the OmegaPRM framework, but the experimental setup says the MM-PRM framework was adopted. State the relationship between the two and describe the value function used in MCTS rollouts.
- [Sec. F.2] Training data and fine-tuned models are said to "be made publicly available soon". For reproducibility, these should be released at submission time, not promised for a future date.
Circularity Check
No circular derivation; minor self-citations not load-bearing.
full rationale
The derivation chain is self-contained. M-JudgeBench labels come from external seed benchmarks' ground-truth (MMMU/MMMU-Pro/MMStar/MMReason/M3CoT/MathVision/MathVerse); GPT-4.1 is used only to extract final answers from CoT rollouts, not to define the correctness criterion. The M-Judger training data are generated separately (Judge-MCTS from ThinkLite-VL/MM-K12 via OmegaPRM/MM-PRM plus an open-source preference mixture), with explicit filtering of overlap against evaluation benchmarks, and gains are corroborated on external VL-RewardBench and Multimodal RewardBench, so no fitted parameter is renamed as a prediction. The fact that the training pairs (SC/SE/LC/LE) target the same capabilities that M-JudgeBench measures is construct alignment, not definitional circularity, because the benchmark is not constructed from M-Judger outputs. The only self-citations are co-author Huanjin Yao's MMReason (one of seven seed sources) and Mulberry (a related MCTS reference; the actual algorithm is based on OmegaPRM/MM-PRM); neither is load-bearing. Separate correctness concerns, not circularity: Table 2's SOTA claim is contradicted by R1-Reward's 80.10 vs M-Judger-RL-Qwen8B's 65.52 on Multimodal RewardBench, and the same model's M-JudgeBench overall accuracy differs between Table 2 (62.42) and Table 6 (62.93).
Axiom & Free-Parameter Ledger
free parameters (4)
- MCTS rollout temperature =
1.0
- MCTS max search count =
50
- MCTS rollouts per prompt =
4
- Data mixture sizes =
142k open-source + 13k MCTS; 16k open-source + 13k MCTS for RL
axioms (5)
- domain assumption Ground-truth answers in seed benchmarks (MMMU, MMMU-Pro, MMStar, MMReason, M3CoT, MathVision, MathVerse) are correct.
- domain assumption GPT-4.1 extracts final answers from CoT rollouts accurately enough for exact-match filtering.
- ad hoc to paper Noise injection preserves the final answer and introduces exactly one process-level error.
- domain assumption Seed1.6-VL acting as value/judge model in MCTS gives reliable step-level correctness estimates.
- ad hoc to paper The ten subtasks adequately span 'core judgment capabilities' relevant to judge reliability.
read the original abstract
Using Multimodal Large Language Models (MLLMs) as judges to achieve precise and consistent evaluations has gradually become an emerging paradigm across various domains. Evaluating the capability and reliability of MLLM-as-a-judge systems is therefore essential for ensuring trustworthy assessment. Existing judge benchmarks categorize samples by task types but fail to capture the fundamental judgment capabilities required for reliable evaluation. In this work, we introduce M-JudgeBench, a ten-dimensional capability-oriented benchmark designed to comprehensively assess the judgment abilities of MLLMs. Our benchmark decomposes evaluation into pairwise Chain-of-Thought (CoT) comparison, length bias avoidance, and process error detection tasks, jointly covering ten fine-grained subtasks. This design enables diagnosis of model reliability across reasoning styles, response lengths, and cross-model variations. Systematic evaluation uncovers the systematic weaknesses in existing MLLM-as-a-judge systems. To address this issue, we further propose Judge-MCTS, a data construction framework generating pairwise reasoning trajectories with various correctness and length. Using Judge-MCTS, we construct an MCTS-augmented dataset and train M-Judger, a series of strong judge models. Extensive experiments demonstrate the superiority of M-Judger on existing judge benchmarks as well as M-JudgeBench. Overall, our work establishes a more principled foundation for evaluating MLLM-as-a-judge through M-JudgeBench and Judge-MCTS framework, paving the way for future research on judge model evaluation and capability-driven judge training.
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Capability-Oriented Evaluation Framework
M-JudgeBench Construction 2 2.1. Capability-Oriented Evaluation Framework . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 2 2.2. Data Generation Steps . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 2 2.2.1 . Pairwise CoT Comparison . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . ...
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Open-Source Training Data Collection
M-Judger Training 4 3.1. Open-Source Training Data Collection . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 4 3.2. Judge-MCTS Data Construction Framework . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 4 3.2.1 . Reasoning Rollout via MCTS . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . ...
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Experimental Setup
Experiments 5 4.1. Experimental Setup . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 5 4.1.1 . Model Evaluation . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 5 4.1.2 . Model Training . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . ....
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Benchmark Examples 3 A.1
Conclusions 7 A . Benchmark Examples 3 A.1 . Example1. CoTs from the Same Model . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 3 A.2 . Example2. CoTs from Different Models . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 4 A.3 . Example3. Process Error Judgment . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . ....
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**Gross operating surplus**: Net operating surplus + Con- sumption of fixed capital = 240,000 + 110,000 = 350,000 Rm; 3
**Compensation of employees**: 420,000 Rm; 2. **Gross operating surplus**: Net operating surplus + Con- sumption of fixed capital = 240,000 + 110,000 = 350,000 Rm; 3. **Net taxes on production and imports**: (Taxes on production + Taxes on products) - (Subsidies on production + Subsidies on products) = (16,000 + 84,000) - (2,000 + 5,000) = 100,000 - 7,000...
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**Net operating surplus**: 240,000 Rm; 3
**Compensation of employees**: 420,000 Rm; 2. **Net operating surplus**: 240,000 Rm; 3. **Consumption of fixed capital** (depreciation): 110,000 Rm; 4. **Net taxes on production** (Taxes on production - Subsidies on production): (16,000 - 2,000 = 14,000) Rm. Adding these together: [420,000 + 240,000 + 110,000 + 14,000 = 784,000] Type:shortcot same model E...
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**Group the numbers by shape.**: **Triangles:** 4, 11, 18; **Circles:** 5, 12, 16; **Squares:** 8, 19, ?
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**Sum of numbers in triangles: ** 4 + 11 + 18 = 33; **Sum of numbers in circles: ** 5 + 12 + 16 = 33
**Look for a relationship within each group.** A common trick in these puzzles is to check the sum of the numbers for each shape type. **Sum of numbers in triangles: ** 4 + 11 + 18 = 33; **Sum of numbers in circles: ** 5 + 12 + 16 = 33
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We can apply this rule to the squares
**Apply the pattern.** The pattern is that the sum of the numbers in each shape group is 33. We can apply this rule to the squares. **Sum of numbers in squares: ** 8 + 19 + ? = 33; * 27 + ? = 33; * ? = 33 - 27; * ? = 6 The number that should replace the question mark is **6**. Rejected:Let’s try to find the pattern based on the shapes and numbers given: S...
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Key Observations
Unaffected parents (1: XY , 2: XX) have an affected daughter (4: XX) and unaffected children (3: XY , 5: XX); 2. Unaffected parents (5: XX, 6: XY) have an affected son (8: XY) and an unaffected daughter (7: XX). **Analysis of Inheritance Patterns** 1. **Autosomal Dominant**: Unlikely. Affected individuals must inherit the allele from at least one affected...
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Modification to the original response: Alter the image-related information in the original response to introduce subtle discrepancies from the actual image content, ensure modifications create erroneous visual interpretations while maintaining reasoning plausibility
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Keep the final answer unchanged: Only modify the visual comprehension process in the original response and make sure the final answer is the same as the original one
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Principle of minimal modification: Introduce only a small error in the intermediate steps to corrupt the sentence and keep changes minimally detectable to human observers. D.2. Logical Reasoning Fallacies You are an expert in semantic comprehension and modification. You need to review the instruction and original response, then modify the response to meet...
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Modification to the original response: Introduce subtle logical flaws or semantic deviations in the reasoning steps while maintaining proximity to correct logic
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Keep the final answer unchanged: Only modify the reasoning process in the original response and make sure the final answer is the same as the original one
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Principle of minimal modification: Introduce only a small error in the intermediate steps to corrupt the sentence and keep changes minimally detectable to human observers. D.3. Incidental Mistakes You are an expert in semantic comprehension and modification. You need to review the instruction and original response, then modify the response to meet these R...
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Error Types to Inject (choose only 1-2 per solution): 1.1 Spelling errors: Minor misspellings (e.g., ”solution”→”soultion”, ”calculate”→”calulate”) 1.2 Numerical errors: Small digit transpositions or value changes (e.g., ”12010”→”10210”, ”3.14”→”3.41”) 1.3 Content omissions: Skip a short phrase or half-sentence without disrupting overall flow
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Preserve 95 percent of the original text
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Keep the final answer unchanged: Only modify the process in the original response and make sure the final answer is the same as the original one
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Modify the given correct solution text by introducing subtle, hard-to-detect errors
Make errors appear accidental/natural and ensure the solution remains plausible and logically coherent. Modify the given correct solution text by introducing subtle, hard-to-detect errors. Make minimal changes directly to the original response without rewriting the entire solution. D.4. Output Format For the three types of noise injected in the above subs...
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Prioritize factual correctness above all other factors
**Answer Correctness**: Check whether each response provides the most accurate and relevant final answer to the given question. Prioritize factual correctness above all other factors
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Identify any reasoning fallacies, invalid inferences, or irrelevant logic chains that might affect reliability
**Reasoning Soundness**: Examine whether the reasoning steps logically lead to the final answer. Identify any reasoning fallacies, invalid inferences, or irrelevant logic chains that might affect reliability
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**Perceptual Understanding**: Assess the correctness of visual grounding — whether objects, regions, or rela- tionships in the image are correctly interpreted and referenced during reasoning
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The response should neither omit essential reasoning nor over-elaborate with redundant or misleading content
**Conciseness and Coherence**: Evaluate whether the reasoning process is clear, coherent, and appropriately de- tailed. The response should neither omit essential reasoning nor over-elaborate with redundant or misleading content. Do not prefer longer reasoning by default
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The decision should rely on reasoning quality, not stylistic fluency or writing pref- erence
**Style and Robustness**: Consider whether the model maintains consistent judgment quality across different response styles or model sources. The decision should rely on reasoning quality, not stylistic fluency or writing pref- erence. Please prioritize selecting the response with the most accurate final answer as the chosen one, and then consider the tho...
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