High Energy Physics - Phenomenology · arXiv:hep-ph/0507176 v2 · submitted 14 Jul 2005 · 18 references
SU(3) family symmetry and neutrino bi-tri-maximal mixing
The paper says
“The observed large mixing angles in the lepton sector may be the first signal for the presence of a non-Abelian family symmetry.”
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However, to obtain the significant differences between the mixing of the neutrino and charged fermion sectors, the vacuum expectation values involved in the breaking of such a symmetry in the two sectors must be misaligned. We investigate how this can be achieved in models with an SU(3) family symmetry consistent with an underlying GUT. We show that such misalignment can be achieved naturally via the see-saw mechanism. We construct a specific example in which the vacuum (mis)alignment is guaranteed by additional symmetries. This model generates a fermion mass structure consistent with all quark and lepton masses and mixing angles. Neutrino mixing is close to bi-tri-maximal mixing.
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Holds up, with conditions. A solid King-Ross-style SU(3)_f model whose see-saw misalignment idea is genuinely reusable, but the exact bi-tri-maximal claim in Section 4 rests on a cancellation that is asserted, not shown. This line is wrong
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The paper says, at Section 4, paragraph beginning 'The mixing angles are also readily obtained'
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Pith says: Objection 1 of 3 · major
The exact bi-tri-maximal prediction rests on a cancellation that is asserted rather than shown. The text states: 'Doing so we find that, due to the underlying symmetry of the theory, these mixing terms cancel between the two contributions giving sin²θ^ν_12 = 1/3, sin²θ^ν_23 = 1/2, sin²θ^ν_13 = 0.'
more of objection 1
No algebra is displayed. This step is load-bearing: it is what upgrades an approximate bi-maximal structure into the exact tri-maximal pattern quoted in the Conclusions ('The neutrino sector generates precise bi-tri-maximal mixing and a zero value for θ13'). A leading-order evaluation of M_ν = Y_ν M_R^{-1} Y_ν^T using the textures of Eq. (26) and Eq. (28) does not obviously produce a vanishing (2,3) entry; with g_⊙ = g_@ the Dirac columns are c_1 ∝ (0,1,−1) and c_2 ∝ (1,2,0), which are not orthogonal, so the c_2 c_2^T contribution rotates the would-be eigenvectors by O(M_1/M_2) ~ O(ǫ_d), and cancelling this against the M_12, M_21 entries of Eq. (28) appears to require a relation among the O(1) couplings λ_1–λ_4 that the U(1)×U'(1) charges do not enforce — the paper itself says these couplings 'are not determined by the symmetries alone'. The authors should either display the algebra that establishes the cancellation (including the values or relations among λ_i required) or soften the claim to 'approximately bi-tri-maximal, with residual mixing of order ǫ_d'. The latter is a cheap fix, since the abstract already says 'close to bi-tri-maximal mixing' and the charged-lepton corrections quoted below already shift the angles by amounts comparable to the residual in question.
The paper says, at Abstract (sentence s4) and Appendix
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Pith says: Objection 2 of 3 · major
The abstract states that 'the vacuum (mis)alignment is guaranteed by additional symmetries', but the Appendix delivers something weaker and says so. Two conditions are assumed rather than derived. First, the θ, θ̄ direction is taken to be F-flat with the explicit caveat 'this depends on the structure of the massive sector of the theory which is not specified here'.
more of objection 2
Second, the alignment of φ_123 and φ̄_123 is stated to hold only 'in a given region of soft mass parameter space', subject to the ordering |m̄_23| > |m̄_123|, |m_123| > |m̄_2|. The word 'guaranteed' therefore overstates what is proved: the alignment is natural in a region of parameter space, not enforced unconditionally by the symmetries. Since the alignment is the paper's central technical claim, the abstract and the Conclusions should be reworded to match the Appendix (for example 'naturally achieved in a specified region of soft-mass parameter space'), and the Appendix should state explicitly what would have to be true of the unspecified massive sector for the θ, θ̄ F-flatness assumption to hold.
The paper says, at Section 3.2, Eqs. (17)–(20)
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Pith says: Objection 3 of 3 · major
The claim in the abstract that the model 'generates a fermion mass structure consistent with all quark and lepton masses and mixing angles' should be qualified by an explicit accounting of what is fitted and what is predicted. The messenger mass ratios are not derived: the text states 'to generate the form of eq(17) we then need M_dR ≃ (1/3) …
more of objection 3
… M_uR ≪ M_QL', i.e. the SU(2)_R-breaking messenger splitting is chosen to reproduce ǫ_u and ǫ_d, and the O(1) Yukawa couplings are subsequently set to unity in the numerical estimates of Section 4. A short table separating inputs (messenger mass ratios, the λ_i, the phases γ and β) from outputs (the mass ratios and the three mixing angles) would make the status of the claim unambiguous, and would let a reader judge how much of the success is structural. This does not undermine the paper's stated goal of demonstrating that a viable model exists, but the abstract's phrasing invites a stronger reading than the construction supports.
7 minor objections
The paper says, at Section 2.2, Eq. (2) and Appendix Eq. (36)
Pith says: minor objection 1 of 7
The text after Eq. (36) says the φ_3 vev 'acquires a nonzero but small entry δ, giving it the structure of eq(3)', but Eq. (3) is the φ_2 vev; the intended reference is Eq. (2). Eq. (36) also omits δ while Eq. (2) and Eq. (46) include it, which is correct at leading order but would read more clearly if the text said so at the point Eq. (36) is displayed.
The paper says, at Appendix, paragraph on soft-mass minimisation
Pith says: minor objection 2 of 7
The condition 'The correct structure is obtained if |m̄_23| > |m̄_23|, |m̄_123|, |m_123| > |m̄_2|' contains a comparison of a quantity with itself, which is vacuous. Presumably one of the two is meant to be a different soft mass (m_23 or m̄_3); please correct.
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The paper says, at References
Pith says: minor objection 3 of 7
Reference [18] (de Medeiros Varzielas, Ramage and Ross, in preparation) appears in the bibliography but is not cited anywhere in the text, including at the closing sentence of the Appendix where the forthcoming discussion of D-term soft masses is mentioned. Either cite it there or remove it.
The paper says, at Section 4 and Conclusions
Pith says: minor objection 4 of 7
The notation for the mixing angles is not uniform: the neutrino-sector angles are written θ^ν_12, θ^ν_23, θ^ν_13 in one place and the PMNS angles as θ_12, θ_23, θ_13 in another, with sin²θ_13 ≃ 0.024 quoted without saying explicitly that this is the PMNS angle after charged-lepton corrections. A single sentence fixing the convention would help.
The paper says, at Table 1
Pith says: minor objection 5 of 7
The SU(2)_R entry for φ̄_3 is given as '3 ⊕ 1', which is not explained; and the U(1)′ charges of φ_3 (−3) and φ̄_3 (2) are not conjugate, which is presumably deliberate (it is what forbids the unwanted conjugate couplings) but deserves a footnote so a reader does not read it as a typo.
The paper says, at Section 1
Pith says: minor objection 6 of 7
The statement that in the A4 models 'there is no straightforward way to embed these models in a Grand Unified structure' is defensible but stated more flatly than the literature supports; a qualifying clause and a citation to the model of [4], which the paper itself notes assigns all leptons to the same representation, would be fairer.
The paper says, at Section 4, Eq. (29) and following
Pith says: minor objection 7 of 7
The quoted sin²θ_13 ≃ 0.024 should be accompanied by the corresponding θ_13 and by a remark on its status relative to the then-current experimental bound, so that the reader can see immediately that the prediction is a genuine (and, as it turned out, testable) one rather than a number inside the allowed region.
What would settle it
Compute Mν = Yν M_R^{-1} Yν^T explicitly from eqs. (26) and (28) with general λ1–λ4 and ǫd, and check whether the (t,b) and (t,w) off-diagonal entries vanish identically or only for special λ relations. If only for special relations, the exact bi-tri-maximal prediction requires fine-tuning of the O(1) couplings; if identically, the symmetry argument is confirmed.
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Worth your time if you build family-symmetry models; not if you want a finished result. The real idea is the see-saw as the explanation for why the third-family breaking that dominates quark and charged-lepton masses is suppressed in the light neutrino sector. That is reusable, and it is the cleanest statement of the quark/neutrino misalignment problem I have seen in this class of models. The other genuine differentiator is that all matter sits in the same SU(3)_f representation, as SO(10) requires, so the GST and Georgi-Jarlskog relations survive. That is exactly what the A4 models [2,3,4] and King's SO(3) model [8] give up. The vacuum alignment appendix is the strongest part: deriving |b| = |b3| from the SU(3)_f soft-mass degeneracy rather than postulating it is real work, and it is checkable. The soft spot is Section 4. The sentence 'these mixing terms cancel between the two contributions' is the load-bearing step that turns approximate bi-maximal into exact bi-tri-maximal, and no algebra is shown. The lambda_i in eq. (28) are explicitly 'not determined by the symmetries alone', so an exact cancellation among them is a condition on free couplings, not a symmetry guarantee. I tried to close the cancellation from eqs. (26) and (28) and could not do it without a relation among the lambdas; I will not swear to the exact coefficient, but the concern lands. The saving grace is that the residual mixing is small for generic O(1) couplings, so 'near bi-tri-maximal' survives even if 'pure' does not. Note the abstract already says 'close to'; it is Section 4 that overreaches. Two smaller things. The numerical agreement sets all O(1) couplings to unity and assumes g_odot = g_at; that is fine for a model-building paper but it is not a prediction. And the D-term flavour problem, the standard objection to gauged family symmetry, is acknowledged and deferred to [18], which is in preparation. That is the one place I would want a referee to push. For model builders in the King-Ross tradition. Serious referee, yes: the alignment appendix and the see-saw mechanism deserve scrutiny, and the Section 4 step needs to be shown or withdrawn.
The strongest objection
The paper's precision claim rests on the sentence in Section 4: 'Doing so we find that, due to the underlying symmetry of the theory, these mixing terms cancel between the two contributions giving sin²θν12 = 1/3, sin²θν23 = 1/2, sin²θν13 = 0.' No algebra is displayed. The step is non-trivial. In the leading approximation (diagonal M_R), the Dirac columns of eq. (26) are c1 = (0,1,-1) and c2 = (1,2,0); these are not orthogonal (c1·c2 = 2g²), so c2c2^T carries a t–b off-diagonal √6 a²/M2 that rotates the would-be (1,1,1)/√3 and (0,1,-1)/√2 eigenvectors by O(M1/M2) ~ O(ǫd). The paper asserts this is cancelled by the M12, M21 entries of eq. (28). A leading-order evaluation of Mν = Yν M_R^{-1} Yν^T with the textures of eqs. (26) and (28) gives Mν_tb ∝ (2λ3/λ1)(3λ4/λ2 + 1) + O(ǫd), which vanishes only for λ4/λ2 = -1/3, a relation among the O(1) couplings λ1–λ4 that the U(1)×U'(1) charges do not obviously enforce (the paper itself says these couplings 'are not determined by the symmetries alone'). If the cancellation is not exact, the exact bi-tri-maximal prediction is fine-tuned rather than symmetry-guaranteed. The mitigating observation is that the residual mixing is small (~0.002) for generic O(1) couplings because the diagonal splitting is large (~1/ǫd), so the physics conclusion (near bi-tri-maximal) may survive even if the cancellation is only approximate. The paper should display the algebra to justify the exact claim.
The reader's weakest_assumption correctly identifies the Section 4 cancellation as the least-supported step in the chain from symmetry to the numerical mixing prediction. The paper's other gaps are acknowledged in the text: the D-term flavour problem is deferred to unpublished [18], and the soft-mass ordering that makes the alignment work is described in the Appendix as 'a given region of soft mass parameter space' rather than a derived consequence. The Section 4 cancellation is different in kind: it is asserted as exact and attributed to 'the underlying symmetry,' but no algebra is shown, and the O(1) couplings λ1–λ4 are explicitly stated to be undetermined by the symmetry. My leading-order check suggests the cancellation is not exact for generic λ's, though the residual mixing is small enough (~0.002) that the near-bi-tri-maximal conclusion is likely robust. So the concern is real but is about rigor and presentation rather than a fatal correctness error. The paper's strengths are genuine: the Appendix derives the (0,b,-b) alignment from the SU(3)_f soft-mass degeneracy rather than postulating it, the mass-matrix textures are consistent with the phenomenological fits the paper cites, and the see-saw mechanism is used in a way that is reusable beyond this specific model. The verdict should remain CONDITIONAL: the model-building is sound, but the exact bi-tri-maximal claim needs the displayed algebra before it can be checked by a reader. I would not move to ACCEPT on the basis of this pass, and I would not move to REJECT either, since the physics conclusion likely survives even if the cancellation is only approximate.
The referee's report
If the construction holds, it is a useful existence proof that bi-tri-maximal mixing need not require a discrete family symmetry whose representations differ between left- and right-handed lepton fields, and can instead be embedded in the SU(3)_f that commutes with SO(10). That is a real structural gain: it keeps the Georgi-Jarlskog relations and the GST relation within reach, which the A4-type constructions cited in the introduction give up. The observation that the see-saw itself, through the ordering of the right-handed Majorana spectrum, can hide an underlying quark-lepton symmetry in the Dirac sector is the paper's most transferable idea and is likely to outlive the specific model. The Appendix is the strongest technical part: the derivation of |b| = |b_3| from soft-mass degeneracy is a clean, checkable mechanism, and the paper is explicit that the remaining alignment holds only in a specified region of soft-mass parameter space. The model is not presented as a fit; it is presented as a demonstration that a viable model exists in this class, and on that more modest reading it succeeds.
Pith's reading of the paper (a machine's summary, not the authors')
Quarks and leptons come in three families, and the pattern of their masses and mixings is unexplained. A long-standing idea is that a family symmetry, broken spontaneously, orders the Yukawa couplings. The trouble is that quarks mix by small angles while neutrinos mix by large ones, so the symmetry must break differently in the two sectors. This paper builds a model with an SU(3) family symmetry that can sit inside a Pati-Salam (and hence SO(10)) grand unified group, so quarks and leptons are assigned to the same representations. The symmetry is broken in stages: a large breaking along the third family gives the top, bottom and tau masses; a second breaking along the second family gives the lighter masses; and a third breaking along an equal superposition of all three families gives the tri-maximal solar angle. The key trick is that neutrino masses come from the see-saw mechanism. The right-handed neutrinos have their own hierarchical mass matrix, with the heaviest state in the third direction. That suppresses the third-direction contribution to the light neutrino masses, so neutrino mixing is governed by the other breaking directions, which are rotated by 45 degrees and by the tri-maximal angle relative to the quark direction. The result is sin squared theta-23 equal to one half and sin squared theta-12 equal to one third in the neutrino sector, with theta-13 zero, before charged lepton corrections. Charged lepton mixing shifts these by a few percent and generates sin squared theta-13 of about 0.024. The same construction reproduces the Georgi-Jarlskog relations m_mu approximately 3 m_s and m_b approximately m_tau, and the Gatto-Sartori-Tonin relation for the Cabibbo angle.
Core claim. The load-bearing assertion is that a spontaneously broken SU(3)_f family symmetry, with the field content and U(1) x U'(1) charges of Table 1, produces the vacuum alignment <phi-bar-3> proportional to (0,0,1), <phi-2> proportional to (0,1,0), <phi-bar-23> proportional to (0,b,-b) and <phi-bar-123> proportional to (1,1,1), and that combined with see-saw suppression of the third right-handed neutrino this yields sin squared theta-23 = 1/2, sin squared theta-12 = 1/3 and sin squared theta-13 = 0 in the neutrino sector, with charged lepton corrections giving sin squared theta-13 of about 0.024, while retaining m_b approximately m_tau, m_mu approximately 3 m_s and the GST relation.
The premise it rests on. The exact cancellation of the off-diagonal Majorana contributions against the Dirac-sector mixing, asserted in Section 4 rather than demonstrated. The text states: 'Doing so we find that, due to the underlying symmetry of the theory, these mixing terms cancel between the two contributions giving sin squared theta-nu-12 = 1/3, sin squared theta-nu-23 = 1/2, sin squared theta-nu-13 = 0.' No algebra is shown for this cancellation, yet it is what upgrades an approximate bi-maximal structure into exact bi-tri-maximal mixing. If the cancellation fails at leading order, the central mixing prediction degrades to an order-of-magnitude statement.
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The observed large mixing angles in the lepton sector may be the first signal for the presence of a non-Abelian family symmetry. However, to obtain the significant differences between the mixing of the neutrino and charged fermion sectors, the vacuum expectation values involved in the breaking of such a symmetry in the two sectors must be misaligned. We investigate how this can be achieved in models with an SU(3) family symmetry consistent with an underlying GUT. We show that such misalignment can be achieved naturally via the see-saw mechanism. We construct a specific example in which the vacuum (mis)alignment is guaranteed by additional symmetries. This model generates a fermion mass structure consistent with all quark and lepton masses and mixing angles. Neutrino mixing is close to bi-tri-maximal mixing.
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Here we propose a specific messenger sector, which the model of [ref] does not specify, that is compatible with the structure of eq:W_SU3_e and the form of the vacuum expectation values (VEVs) of the flavon fields in eq:vevs1.
Bridging flavour violation and leptogenesis in SU(3) family models · Basic structure · 0.96
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With the fields specified in Tables [ref] and [ref] from [ref] , the superpotential would be W = g ( ψ_i χ̅_4^i H + χ_-4,i χ̅_1 ϕ̅_123^i + χ_-4,i χ̅_2 ϕ̅_3^i + χ_-4,i χ̅_3 ϕ̅_23^i + χ_-3 χ̅_1 Σ .
Effective Theories of Flavor and the Non-Universal MSSM · $SU(3)_f$ Model · 0.91
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Using the alignment mechanism in [ref] , the scalar components of the supermultiplets will be assumed to obtain VEVs according to the following scheme: [equation] where $i=u,d,e$ allowing for different messenger masses [ref] .
$A_4$ Family Symmetry from SU(5) SUSY GUTs in 6d · Superfield Content · 0.97
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where $α_ij$ and $a_i$ are complex in general with $|α_ij|≪|a_i|$ so the leading order vacuum alignments are given by the first term of the right-hand sides, familiar from CSD models [ref] .
Vacuum misalignment corrections to tri-bimaximal mixing and form dominance · Vacuum misalignment and deviations from TB mixing · 0.89
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These flavon fields give rise to the Yukawa operators of the shape (in the case of $SU(3)$ family symmetry, dropping superfield hats) [ref] :
Third Family Corrections to Quark and Lepton Mixing in SUSY Models with non-Abelian Family Symmetry · Canonical normalisation corrections in potentially realistic models · 0.81
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Varzielas [ref] and the more recent SO(3) model of Reig-Valle-Wilczek [ref] are interesting examples of the former, while the Altarelli-Feruglio [ref] and Babu-Ma-Valle [ref] A4 models are famous examples of the latter.
Residual Symmetries and Scalar Multiplet Vacuum Alignment in Non-Abelian Flavour Models · Introduction and Motivation · 0.96
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