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arxiv: 2507.18071 · v2 · submitted 2025-07-24 · 💻 cs.LG · cs.AI· cs.CL

Group Sequence Policy Optimization

Chujie Zheng , Shixuan Liu , Mingze Li , Xiong-Hui Chen , Bowen Yu , Chang Gao , Kai Dang , Yuqiong Liu
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keywords reinforcement learninglarge language modelspolicy optimizationsequence levelimportance samplingmixture of expertsGSPOGRPO
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GSPO optimizes LLM policies using sequence-level importance ratios and clipping instead of token-level operations.

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The paper introduces Group Sequence Policy Optimization as a reinforcement learning method for large language models that computes importance ratios from the likelihood of complete output sequences. It performs clipping, rewarding, and policy updates at the sequence level rather than breaking them down token by token. This produces better training efficiency and final performance than the prior GRPO approach, with particular gains in stabilizing training runs on Mixture-of-Experts architectures. The design also points toward simpler reinforcement learning pipelines that require less custom token handling.

Core claim

GSPO defines the importance ratio based on sequence likelihood and performs sequence-level clipping, rewarding, and optimization. Unlike token-level methods, this yields superior training efficiency and performance compared to the GRPO algorithm, stabilizes Mixture-of-Experts RL training, and has the potential for simplifying the design of RL infrastructure.

What carries the argument

The sequence-level importance ratio, defined as the ratio of the current policy probability to the old policy probability over an entire sequence, which drives importance sampling, clipping, and gradient updates.

If this is right

  • GSPO achieves superior training efficiency and performance compared to the GRPO algorithm.
  • GSPO notably stabilizes Mixture-of-Experts RL training.
  • GSPO has the potential for simplifying the design of RL infrastructure.
  • These changes contributed to the remarkable improvements observed in the latest Qwen3 models.

Where Pith is reading between the lines

These are editorial extensions of the paper, not claims the author makes directly.

  • Sequence-level ratios could reduce the sensitivity of training to individual token sampling noise, allowing more consistent updates on long generations.
  • The approach might let practitioners drop some token-level masking logic in existing RLHF codebases.
  • Testing GSPO on non-MoE dense models would clarify whether the reported stability gains are tied specifically to expert routing dynamics.

Load-bearing premise

Shifting importance sampling, clipping, and optimization from the token level to the full sequence level will reliably improve stability and performance without creating new biases or optimization issues.

What would settle it

A controlled experiment on the same MoE model and tasks where GSPO produces equal or higher instability and lower final scores than GRPO under matched hyperparameters and compute budgets.

read the original abstract

This paper introduces Group Sequence Policy Optimization (GSPO), our stable, efficient, and performant reinforcement learning algorithm for training large language models. Unlike previous algorithms that adopt token-level importance ratios, GSPO defines the importance ratio based on sequence likelihood and performs sequence-level clipping, rewarding, and optimization. We demonstrate that GSPO achieves superior training efficiency and performance compared to the GRPO algorithm, notably stabilizes Mixture-of-Experts (MoE) RL training, and has the potential for simplifying the design of RL infrastructure. These merits of GSPO have contributed to the remarkable improvements in the latest Qwen3 models.

Editorial analysis

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Referee Report

3 major / 2 minor

Summary. The paper introduces Group Sequence Policy Optimization (GSPO), an RL algorithm for LLMs that replaces token-level importance ratios (as in GRPO) with sequence-level likelihood ratios, followed by sequence-level clipping, reward aggregation, and optimization. It claims this yields superior training efficiency and performance, stabilizes RL for Mixture-of-Experts models, simplifies RL infrastructure, and contributed to the Qwen3 models.

Significance. If the empirical and theoretical claims hold, GSPO could meaningfully simplify and stabilize RLHF pipelines for large-scale LLMs, especially MoE architectures where token-level methods reportedly suffer instability. The infrastructure-simplification angle is practically attractive, but the significance remains provisional given the absence of detailed quantitative support, variance analysis, or ablations in the provided manuscript.

major comments (3)
  1. [Abstract and §1] Abstract and §1: the central claim that sequence-level importance sampling and clipping produce better efficiency and MoE stability than token-level GRPO is asserted without any reported numbers, baselines, statistical tests, or ablation isolating the sequence-level change; this directly undermines assessment of the claim and leaves the skeptic's variance/bias concern unaddressed.
  2. [§3] §3 (Algorithm): no derivation or bound is provided showing that the sequence-level importance ratio remains unbiased or has controlled variance relative to the token-level ratio; the manuscript therefore does not establish that the proposed change avoids the high-variance pathology the stress-test note flags.
  3. [§4] §4 (Experiments): the reported comparisons to GRPO lack ablations that hold all other factors fixed while varying only the sequence- vs. token-level treatment, and no variance-of-gradient or effective-sample-size metrics are shown; without these, the stability and efficiency claims cannot be evaluated as load-bearing evidence.
minor comments (2)
  1. [§3] Notation for the sequence likelihood ratio is introduced without an explicit equation number or comparison to the standard token-level ratio; adding a side-by-side definition would improve clarity.
  2. [§2] The manuscript cites GRPO but does not include a concise recap of its token-level clipping rule; a short comparison table would help readers follow the claimed differences.

Simulated Author's Rebuttal

3 responses · 1 unresolved

We thank the referee for the constructive feedback on our manuscript. We address each major comment below and indicate the revisions we will make to strengthen the presentation of our claims.

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  1. Referee: [Abstract and §1] Abstract and §1: the central claim that sequence-level importance sampling and clipping produce better efficiency and MoE stability than token-level GRPO is asserted without any reported numbers, baselines, statistical tests, or ablation isolating the sequence-level change; this directly undermines assessment of the claim and leaves the skeptic's variance/bias concern unaddressed.

    Authors: We agree that the abstract and §1 would benefit from explicit quantitative support. The current manuscript asserts the benefits based on the experiments in §4, but does not embed specific numbers, baselines, or ablations in the introductory sections. We will revise the abstract and §1 to include key reported metrics on training efficiency, performance gains, and MoE stability observations, with direct references to the corresponding results and any statistical details available in §4. revision: yes

  2. Referee: [§3] §3 (Algorithm): no derivation or bound is provided showing that the sequence-level importance ratio remains unbiased or has controlled variance relative to the token-level ratio; the manuscript therefore does not establish that the proposed change avoids the high-variance pathology the stress-test note flags.

    Authors: The referee correctly notes the absence of a formal derivation or variance bound in §3. The sequence-level formulation is chosen to align the importance ratio with the sequence-level reward, avoiding token-level mismatch. We will expand §3 with a discussion of this motivation and its empirical implications for variance, but we do not currently have a rigorous proof or bound establishing unbiasedness or controlled variance relative to the token-level case. revision: partial

  3. Referee: [§4] §4 (Experiments): the reported comparisons to GRPO lack ablations that hold all other factors fixed while varying only the sequence- vs. token-level treatment, and no variance-of-gradient or effective-sample-size metrics are shown; without these, the stability and efficiency claims cannot be evaluated as load-bearing evidence.

    Authors: We acknowledge that the existing comparisons do not isolate the sequence- versus token-level treatment through controlled ablations, nor do they report gradient variance or effective sample size. We will add such ablations to §4 while holding other factors fixed, and include the requested metrics to provide quantitative support for the stability and efficiency claims. revision: yes

standing simulated objections not resolved
  • Absence of a derivation or bound establishing that the sequence-level importance ratio is unbiased or exhibits controlled variance relative to the token-level ratio.

Circularity Check

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No circularity: GSPO defined by explicit sequence-level change with no self-referential derivation or fitted prediction.

full rationale

The paper introduces GSPO by directly defining the importance ratio on full sequence likelihood (rather than token-level) and applying sequence-level clipping/optimization. No equations, derivations, or parameter fits are shown that reduce the claimed advantages back to the inputs by construction. The comparison to GRPO is presented as an empirical demonstration rather than a mathematical necessity derived from prior self-work. No self-citation load-bearing steps, uniqueness theorems, or ansatz smuggling appear in the provided text. The algorithm is self-contained as a straightforward redefinition of the policy gradient components at sequence granularity.

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