Benchmarking EngGPT2-16B-A3B against Comparable Italian and International Open-source LLMs
Pith reviewed 2026-05-21 08:09 UTC · model grok-4.3
The pith
A new 16B Italian MoE model with 3B active parameters performs as well or better than other native Italian LLMs on most benchmarks.
A machine-rendered reading of the paper's core claim, the machinery that carries it, and where it could break.
Core claim
EngGPT2MoE-16B-A3B reports higher or equal scores than other Italian models on ARC-Challenge, GSM8K, AIME24, AIME25, MMLU, HumanEval, and the 32k RULER setting, with the sole exception on ITALIC where Velvet-14B leads. It exceeds DeepSeek-MoE-16B-Chat on all tests and shows mixed outcomes versus other MoE and dense models, leading to the overall finding that the model constitutes a step forward for native Italian Large Language Models.
What carries the argument
The comparative benchmarking across ARC-Challenge, GSM8K, AIME24, AIME25, MMLU, HumanEval, BFCL, RULER at multiple context lengths, and the ITALIC Italian dataset, followed by metric aggregation.
If this is right
- Mixture-of-Experts designs with low active parameters can deliver competitive results for language-specific models.
- Italian models can now be deployed for local applications with less dependence on foreign-trained systems.
- Long-context handling at 32k tokens stands out as a relative strength for extended Italian documents.
- Open release supports further community fine-tuning to close remaining gaps with top international models.
Where Pith is reading between the lines
- Targeted development for other languages could produce similar relative gains with modest active-parameter budgets.
- Greater use of language-specific benchmarks like ITALIC would help prevent over-optimism from English-heavy tests.
- Combining this model's long-context strengths with higher-scoring international models offers a clear next experiment.
Load-bearing premise
The selected benchmarks and their aggregation method give a fair picture of real-world Italian-language capability without undisclosed training-data or evaluation advantages.
What would settle it
A new held-out Italian benchmark or large-scale user study in Italian where EngGPT2MoE-16B-A3B underperforms the compared models on aggregate.
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This report benchmarks the performance of ENGINEERING Ingegneria Informatica S.p.A.'s EngGPT2MoE-16B-A3B LLM, a 16B parameter Mixture of Experts (MoE) model with 3B active parameters. Performance is investigated across a wide variety of representative benchmarks, and is compared against comparably-sized open-source MoE and dense models. In comparison with popular Italian models, namely FastwebMIIA-7B, Minerva-7B, Velvet-14B, and LLaMAntino-3-ANITA-8B, EngGPT2MoE-16B-A3B performs as well or better on international benchmarks: ARC-Challenge, GSM8K, AIME24, AIME25, MMLU, and HumanEval (HE). It achieves the best performance for the longest context setting (32k) of the RULER benchmark. On the Italian benchmark dataset ITALIC, the model performs as well or better than the other models except for Velvet-14B, which outperforms it. Compared with popular MoE models of comparable size, the new model reports higher values than DeepSeek-MoE-16B-Chat on all considered benchmarks. It has higher values than Moonlight-16B-A3B on HE, MMLU, AIME24, AIME25, GSM8K, and the 32k RULER setting, but lower on BFCL and some ARC and ITALIC settings. Finally it has lower values than GPT-OSS-20B on most benchmarks, including HE, MMLU, AIME24, AIME25, GSM8K, ARC, BFCL, and the RULER 32k. When compared with popular dense models, EngGPT2MoE-16B-A3B reports higher values on AIME24 and AIME25 than Llama-3.1-8B-Instruct, Gemma-3-12b-it, and Ministral-3-8BInstruct-2512-BF16, but lower values on ITALIC, BFCL, and RULER with a 32k context. When performance is aggregated across all benchmark metrics, EngGPT2MoE-16B-A3B shows higher performance than the Italian models under evaluation while achieving lower results than some of the most performant international models, in particular GPT-5 nano and Qwen3-8B. Taken together, our findings find the new model to be a step forward for native Italian Large Language Models.
Editorial analysis
A structured set of objections, weighed in public.
Referee Report
Summary. The manuscript benchmarks EngGPT2MoE-16B-A3B, a 16B-parameter Mixture-of-Experts model with 3B active parameters, on international tasks (ARC-Challenge, GSM8K, AIME24, AIME25, MMLU, HumanEval, RULER-32k, BFCL) and the Italian ITALIC benchmark. It reports direct numerical comparisons against Italian models (FastwebMIIA-7B, Minerva-7B, Velvet-14B, LLaMAntino-3-ANITA-8B) and international MoE/dense models, concluding that the new model performs as well or better than the Italian comparators on most tasks and constitutes a step forward for native Italian LLMs, while trailing some leading international systems.
Significance. If the reported scores rest on comparable evaluation conditions and transparent aggregation, the work supplies a useful snapshot of relative capabilities for open Italian LLMs and demonstrates that an efficient MoE architecture can deliver competitive results on both general and language-specific benchmarks. The inclusion of long-context (RULER-32k) and Italian-specific evaluation adds practical value for the community.
major comments (3)
- [Abstract] The abstract states that 'When performance is aggregated across all benchmark metrics, EngGPT2MoE-16B-A3B shows higher performance than the Italian models under evaluation' yet supplies neither the aggregation formula (mean, z-score, rank sum, or weighted), a summary table of aggregated scores, nor justification for any weighting. This directly supports the central claim of a 'step forward' and must be clarified.
- [Results] Raw benchmark scores are presented without error bars, number of evaluation runs, prompting templates, temperature settings, or statistical significance tests for reported differences. The manuscript also omits any description of training-corpus composition or decontamination procedures for the listed benchmarks; these omissions are load-bearing for the claim that observed edges reflect genuine Italian capability rather than data advantages.
- [Results] On the Italian-specific ITALIC benchmark the model is outperformed by Velvet-14B, yet the headline conclusion treats the model as advancing native Italian performance. The paper should explicitly discuss how this exception is reconciled with the aggregated claim.
minor comments (2)
- [Title and Abstract] Model nomenclature is inconsistent: the title uses 'EngGPT2-16B-A3B' while the abstract and comparisons use 'EngGPT2MoE-16B-A3B'.
- [Abstract] Brief citations or one-sentence descriptions for AIME24/AIME25 and the exact version of RULER would improve accessibility for readers unfamiliar with the benchmarks.
Simulated Author's Rebuttal
We thank the referee for their constructive and detailed feedback, which has strengthened the transparency of our work. We have revised the manuscript to address the major comments on aggregation, evaluation details, and the ITALIC exception, while noting limitations where full disclosure is not possible.
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Referee: [Abstract] The abstract states that 'When performance is aggregated across all benchmark metrics, EngGPT2MoE-16B-A3B shows higher performance than the Italian models under evaluation' yet supplies neither the aggregation formula (mean, z-score, rank sum, or weighted), a summary table of aggregated scores, nor justification for any weighting. This directly supports the central claim of a 'step forward' and must be clarified.
Authors: We agree that the aggregation procedure requires explicit description to support the central claim. In the revised manuscript we now state that aggregated performance is the unweighted average of min-max normalized scores across all benchmarks (normalization performed jointly over the Italian models for fair comparison). We have added a new summary table (Table 7) reporting these aggregated values for all models and a brief justification for the unweighted approach, as it avoids introducing arbitrary weights while still reflecting overall capability. revision: yes
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Referee: [Results] Raw benchmark scores are presented without error bars, number of evaluation runs, prompting templates, temperature settings, or statistical significance tests for reported differences. The manuscript also omits any description of training-corpus composition or decontamination procedures for the listed benchmarks; these omissions are load-bearing for the claim that observed edges reflect genuine Italian capability rather than data advantages.
Authors: We have expanded the Evaluation section to include the exact prompting templates, temperature settings (0.0 for deterministic generation on all tasks except where sampling was required), and confirmation that each benchmark was evaluated in a single run owing to computational cost. A limitations paragraph now acknowledges the absence of error bars and statistical tests. Detailed training-corpus composition and decontamination procedures remain proprietary and cannot be released; we have added an explicit statement to this effect in the revised text. revision: partial
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Referee: [Results] On the Italian-specific ITALIC benchmark the model is outperformed by Velvet-14B, yet the headline conclusion treats the model as advancing native Italian performance. The paper should explicitly discuss how this exception is reconciled with the aggregated claim.
Authors: We appreciate the referee drawing attention to this point. The revised Results and Discussion sections now contain an explicit paragraph reconciling the ITALIC result with the overall conclusion. Although Velvet-14B leads on ITALIC, EngGPT2MoE-16B-A3B records higher or equal scores on the six international benchmarks and the long-context RULER-32k task, producing a higher aggregated score. We frame this as evidence that the model advances native Italian LLM development by delivering a more balanced profile—strong general capabilities plus competitive language-specific performance—while benefiting from the efficiency of the 3B-active-parameter MoE design. revision: yes
- Detailed training-corpus composition and decontamination procedures (proprietary information)
Circularity Check
No circularity: pure empirical benchmark reporting with no derivations or self-referential elements
full rationale
This paper consists entirely of empirical benchmark measurements and direct comparisons of raw scores on standard tasks (ARC-Challenge, GSM8K, MMLU, HumanEval, RULER, ITALIC, etc.) against other models. No equations, fitted parameters, predictions, or first-principles derivations appear anywhere in the text. The central claim that the model represents a step forward for native Italian LLMs is presented as a summary of the measured outcomes rather than the output of any prior equation or self-citation chain. The brief mention of aggregation across metrics introduces no definitional loop or reduction to inputs by construction, as no aggregation formula is supplied or required for the reported findings. The work is self-contained against external benchmarks and contains none of the enumerated circularity patterns.
Axiom & Free-Parameter Ledger
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- domain assumption Popular benchmarks such as MMLU, GSM8K, ARC, and ITALIC accurately measure the capabilities relevant to the claim of being a step forward for Italian LLMs.
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When performance is aggregated across all benchmark metrics, EngGPT2MoE-16B-A3B shows higher performance than the Italian models under evaluation while achieving lower results than some of the most performant international models
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Table 19: Average ranking for each benchmark dataset
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