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arxiv: 2606.24744 · v1 · pith:TBOVGVBYnew · submitted 2026-06-23 · 🌌 astro-ph.GA

Unlocking the Full Potential of SKAO Extra-galactic Science with High-multiplex Optical Spectroscopy

Kenneth J Duncan , Natasha Maddox , Daniel J. B Smith , Marina I Arnaudova , Catherine L Hale , Sophia Flury , Luke Holden , Matt J Jarvis
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Elizabeth A. K. Adams S. Ilani Loubser Mamta Pandey-Pommier Anastasia Ponomareva
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Spectroscopy is essential to link SKAO radio observations to galaxy properties and histories.

A machine-rendered reading of the paper's core claim, the machinery that carries it, and where it could break.

The paper establishes that detailed optical spectroscopy is required to interpret SKAO radio continuum and HI data for extragalactic sources. It supplies precise redshifts, separates star-formation from AGN activity, and reveals host galaxy kinematics and chemistry. This combination enables statistical HI content measurements via stacking out to redshift 1 and maps environments to study effects on the baryon cycle. The work reviews current synergies and outlines needs for future dedicated spectroscopic efforts with existing and planned facilities.

Core claim

For all extragalactic radio source populations, this spectroscopy is essential for providing precise redshifts, separating star-formation and AGN activity, identifying accretion modes and revealing detailed host galaxy properties. It is only with the detailed emission line and optical continuum diagnostics from spectroscopy that we can begin to link the AGN and star-formation activity revealed by the radio continuum to the kinematic and chemical histories of galaxies. Crucially, extensive spectroscopy also unlocks the full potential of HI observations by enabling statistical measures of the HI content of galaxies out to z = 1 and beyond, through spectral stacking analyses, as well as compreh

What carries the argument

High-multiplex multi-object spectrographs delivering emission line and optical continuum diagnostics matched to radio source populations.

If this is right

  • Precise redshifts and line diagnostics connect radio-detected AGN and star formation to galaxy kinematic and chemical histories.
  • Spectral stacking yields statistical HI gas content measurements for galaxies out to z=1.
  • Mapping of local environments and large-scale structure enables studies of environmental effects on the baryon cycle.
  • Synergies with current and planned optical facilities extend the reach of SKAO continuum and HI surveys.

Where Pith is reading between the lines

These are editorial extensions of the paper, not claims the author makes directly.

  • Optimizing future optical surveys for the expected radio source density and redshift range could maximize the return on SKAO data.
  • The same spectroscopic approach might reveal whether certain accretion modes are preferentially found in specific large-scale environments.
  • Extending wavelength coverage to bluer or redder bands could push HI stacking and property measurements to higher redshifts.

Load-bearing premise

Current and planned high-multiplex optical facilities will deliver sufficient depth, wavelength coverage, and source density to match the expected SKAO radio source populations for statistical analyses such as HI stacking.

What would settle it

A survey showing that optical spectroscopic coverage is too shallow, narrow in wavelength, or low in source density to yield reliable redshifts or stacking signals for most SKAO radio sources.

Figures

Figures reproduced from arXiv: 2606.24744 by Anastasia Ponomareva, Catherine L Hale, Daniel J. B Smith, Elizabeth A. K. Adams, Kenneth J Duncan, Luke Holden, Mamta Pandey-Pommier, Marina I Arnaudova, Matt J Jarvis, Natasha Maddox, S. Ilani Loubser, Sophia Flury.

Figure 1
Figure 1. Figure 1: Visual summary of key observables unlocked by optical spectroscopy. We show stacked composite spectra of radio continuum detected galaxies classified as star-forming galaxies (SFG), high-excitation radio galaxies (HERGs) and low-excitation radio galaxies (LERGs) following the approach presented in Arnaudova et al. (2025). Inset panels A - G are discussed in further detail in the main body of the text – we … view at source ↗
Figure 2
Figure 2. Figure 2: Graphical illustration of the dynamic range in survey properties of some of the current and planned spectroscopic surveys from 4MOST, DESI, MOONS, PFS and WEAVE. Figure generated directly from the Spectroscopic Surveys Dashboard, selecting surveys with 𝑁gal > 5 × 105 and spectral resolution 𝑅 > 2000. As per [PITH_FULL_IMAGE:figures/full_fig_p014_2.png] view at source ↗
Figure 3
Figure 3. Figure 3: Illustrative redshift parameter space quickly accessible to AA★ and AA4, along with a compilation of existing detections at these redshifts (filled circles, see text for citations). The limiting H I mass observable as a function of redshift is shown for two baseline surveys. The orange and red lines show the predictions for the 16 h AA★ and 50 h AA4 surveys respectively, with solid lines restricted to 5𝜎 a… view at source ↗
Figure 4
Figure 4. Figure 4: The parametrisation of the HIMF at 𝑧 ∼ 0.3 enabled by a survey with 16 h integrations over 50 deg2 with AA★ (orange, 5𝜎 detections) and 10 deg2 with 50 h integrations with AA4 (red) assuming spectroscopic prior driven detections down to 3𝜎 significant. The 𝑧 = 0 HIMF from Jones et al. (2018) is shown in grey, with the characteristic mass, 𝑀★ H I , highlighted. 4.1.2 Statistical H I detections With AA★, and… view at source ↗
Figure 5
Figure 5. Figure 5: Illustration of key Southern hemisphere regions for which high completeness spectroscopic samples will be available from 4MOST spectroscopy (in a Hammer-Aitoff projection). The background colour scale illustrates the approximate region with complete coverage from 4HS, with the colour scale illustrating the density (arbitrary scaling) in pixels of equal volume. Filled regions illustrate the areas correspond… view at source ↗
read the original abstract

Parallel to the transformation in radio continuum and H I observations from SKAO pathfinders and precursors over the past decade has been the development of a new generation of multi-object spectrographs that will be equally transformational in a broad range of scientific areas. For all extragalactic radio source populations, this spectroscopy is essential for providing precise redshifts, separating star-formation and AGN activity, identifying accretion modes and revealing detailed host galaxy properties. It is only with the detailed emission line and optical continuum diagnostics from spectroscopy that we can begin to link the AGN and star-formation activity revealed by the radio continuum to the kinematic and chemical histories of galaxies. Crucially, extensive spectroscopy also unlocks the full potential of H I observations by enabling statistical measures of the H I content of galaxies out to $z = 1$ and beyond, through spectral stacking analyses, as well as comprehensively tracing the local environment and large-scale structure to enable studies of environmental effects on the baryon cycle. We outline the scientific synergies enabled by combining SKAO continuum and H I surveys with current optical spectroscopic surveys, as well as identifying the needs and scientific potential of future spectroscopic surveys dedicated to the radio source population with both existing and planned optical facilities.

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Referee Report

2 major / 1 minor

Summary. The manuscript is a position paper arguing that high-multiplex optical spectroscopy from current and planned facilities (e.g., 4MOST, DESI, MOONS) is essential to realize the full scientific potential of SKAO radio continuum and HI surveys. It claims that spectroscopy supplies precise redshifts, separates AGN from star-formation activity, links radio properties to kinematic/chemical histories via emission-line and continuum diagnostics, enables HI spectral stacking out to z~1, and traces environment and large-scale structure for baryon-cycle studies. The text outlines synergies with existing surveys and identifies needs for future dedicated spectroscopic follow-up of radio populations.

Significance. If the asserted synergies can be realized, the work would usefully inform multi-wavelength survey planning and highlight coordination requirements between radio and optical facilities. However, the paper presents no new quantitative results, derivations, or simulations; its value lies in advocacy rather than in advancing a specific testable claim or providing machine-checked proofs or reproducible analyses.

major comments (2)
  1. [Abstract] Abstract and introductory sections: the central assertion that 'extensive spectroscopy also unlocks the full potential of H I observations by enabling statistical measures of the H I content of galaxies out to z = 1 and beyond, through spectral stacking analyses' is load-bearing but unsupported by any source-count matching, completeness estimates, or simulations showing what fraction of the expected SKAO radio source population at relevant flux limits can actually be targeted by the cited facilities at the required depth and wavelength coverage.
  2. [Abstract] The claim that spectroscopy is required to 'link the AGN and star-formation activity revealed by the radio continuum to the kinematic and chemical histories of galaxies' is presented as self-evident, yet the manuscript supplies no concrete examples or quantitative assessment of how the wavelength coverage and multiplex of planned instruments will deliver the necessary diagnostics for the SKAO populations.
minor comments (1)
  1. The manuscript would benefit from an explicit table or section summarizing the key parameters (depth, wavelength range, multiplex, sky coverage) of the cited spectrographs versus the expected SKAO source densities and redshift ranges.

Simulated Author's Rebuttal

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We thank the referee for their review. As a position paper focused on advocacy and survey synergies rather than new quantitative analyses, we address the specific concerns about unsupported claims by agreeing to strengthen the text with additional references and brief contextual examples. We outline point-by-point responses below.

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  1. Referee: [Abstract] Abstract and introductory sections: the central assertion that 'extensive spectroscopy also unlocks the full potential of H I observations by enabling statistical measures of the H I content of galaxies out to z = 1 and beyond, through spectral stacking analyses' is load-bearing but unsupported by any source-count matching, completeness estimates, or simulations showing what fraction of the expected SKAO radio source population at relevant flux limits can actually be targeted by the cited facilities at the required depth and wavelength coverage.

    Authors: We agree that the HI stacking claim would be strengthened by explicit supporting references. The manuscript is an advocacy document rather than a technical simulation study, but we will revise the abstract and introduction to cite existing demonstrations of HI spectral stacking with optical redshifts (e.g., works using SDSS, GAMA, and DEVILS data that achieve stacking out to z~1 with comparable facilities). These references establish the feasibility without requiring new source-count simulations, which fall outside the paper's scope. We will also add a short sentence noting that the cited facilities' multiplex and depth are designed to overlap with SKAO continuum source densities. revision: yes

  2. Referee: [Abstract] The claim that spectroscopy is required to 'link the AGN and star-formation activity revealed by the radio continuum to the kinematic and chemical histories of galaxies' is presented as self-evident, yet the manuscript supplies no concrete examples or quantitative assessment of how the wavelength coverage and multiplex of planned instruments will deliver the necessary diagnostics for the SKAO populations.

    Authors: We accept that concrete examples would improve clarity. We will revise the relevant sections to include brief, referenced examples of how emission-line diagnostics (e.g., [OIII]/Heta, [NII]/Hα for AGN/SF separation and velocity dispersion for kinematics) from 4MOST, DESI, and MOONS have already been applied to radio-selected samples in the literature, and note the wavelength coverage overlap with SKAO populations. This keeps the paper within its advocacy remit while addressing the request for specificity. revision: yes

Circularity Check

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No circularity; position paper with no derivations or self-referential reductions

full rationale

The manuscript is a qualitative position paper arguing for synergies between SKAO radio surveys and optical spectroscopy. It contains no equations, fitted parameters, predictions derived from inputs, or load-bearing self-citations. Claims rest on general domain reasoning about redshift needs, emission-line diagnostics, and HI stacking potential rather than any closed derivation chain. The central assertions (spectroscopy links radio properties to kinematics/chemistry; planned facilities enable stacking) are presented as scientific motivation without reducing to self-definition or prior author work by construction. This matches the default expectation of no significant circularity.

Axiom & Free-Parameter Ledger

0 free parameters · 0 axioms · 0 invented entities

The paper is a review of observational strategies and does not introduce new parameters, axioms, or entities beyond standard astronomical concepts.

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