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The yes-no bias of large language models on moral dilemmas is an artifact of answer order and the word “no,” not a change in moral judgment.
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load-bearing objection Clean factorial decomposition of the yes-no bias into order + lexical surface pulls, with logical attachment ~0 under label swap and a coherent graded stance as independent axis. the 3 major comments →
The yes-no bias of large language models reflects answer order and wording, not shifts in moral judgment
The pith
A machine-rendered reading of the paper's core claim, the machinery that carries it, and where it could break.
Core claim
Frontier models carry a coherent internal moral scale: graded ratings of the same dilemmas stay nearly format-invariant under crossed, logically equivalent framings. Forcing the judgment through yes/no overlays a decomposable format artifact—an order bias toward the last-printed option plus a lexical pull toward the word “no”—large mainly in Claude models and smaller under extended reasoning. With arbitrary answer labels the verdict-attached logical bias is approximately zero for every frontier model; the pull follows the printed surface, not the verdict it carries.
What carries the argument
Crossed symmetrization: every logically irrelevant factor (verb, printed order, answer label, scale, anchor, wording, pole) is flipped in balanced pairs and the factors are crossed so their contributions separate. The symmetric part of each flip-pair estimates stance θ; the antisymmetric part is the artifact. The minimal model P = σ((θ ± m)/s) then summarizes any such artifact by a framing susceptibility m and a moral decisiveness s, distinct from sampling temperature.
Load-bearing premise
That the averaged graded rating under many equivalent framings really is the model’s stable moral stance, so it can serve as the fixed axis against which yes/no artifacts are measured.
What would settle it
If the same crossed battery showed frontier models’ graded stance itself swinging as much as the reported binary artifact when only the rating question’s surface form changed, or if fully arbitrary answer labels still produced a large verdict-attached bias, the claim that the scale is format-invariant and the bias is surface-only would fail.
If this is right
- Graded, multi-frame elicitation recovers a model’s moral stance more cleanly than any single forced yes/no.
- Single-format binary readouts confound stance with surface format and should not be read as direct measures of value.
- Extended reasoning typically shrinks both cross-form incoherence and framing susceptibility where the artifact is large.
- The same battery applies unchanged to any dilemma set and binary format, so the decomposition can be rerun on other value domains.
- A yes-no bias reported without crossing verb, order, and label cannot be attributed to moral judgment versus surface pull.
Where Pith is reading between the lines
- Safety gates and LLM-as-judge systems that force yes/no may be measuring label and order attachments rather than the intended policy.
- The recency-type order bias (opposite classic human primacy) is likely to appear in many multiple-choice readouts, not only moral items.
- Interventions that claim to reduce format sensitivity can be audited by tracking m and s rather than raw accuracy alone.
- Small models can look “coherent” by being indifferent; any coherence number without a discrimination check can flatter an empty scale.
Editorial analysis
A structured set of objections, weighed in public.
Referee Report
Summary. The paper argues that the amplified yes–no bias of LLMs on moral dilemmas is a format artifact of the binary readout, not a shift in moral judgment. Using a crossed-symmetrization psychometric battery (graded ratings I-1, free choice I-2, forced binary I-3) on twenty dilemmas largely from Cheung et al., it recovers a nearly format-invariant graded stance θ for frontier models (cross-form incoherence σ_repro = 0.12–0.21). The forced yes/no readout decomposes, by the verb × order identity (Eq. 1), into an order bias toward the last-printed option plus a lexical pull toward the word “no,” concentrated in Claude models and shrinking under extended reasoning. Swapping yes/no for arbitrary labels (A/B) drives the verdict-attached logical component to ≈0 for frontier models, while surface label and order attachments remain. A logistic summary P = σ((θ ± m)/s) yields portable framing susceptibility m and moral decisiveness s.
Significance. If the result holds, it reframes a growing literature on LLM moral and survey biases: single-framing yes/no verdicts confound stance with surface form, and evaluations that ask once systematically misread format artifacts as value shifts. The methodological contribution—crossed symmetrization that separates order, lexical, and logical channels, with independent graded θ as the stance axis—is portable beyond these dilemmas and is a genuine advance over uncrossed multi-prompt consistency rates. Strengths include a definitional decomposition (Eq. 1), a clean label-swap identification, pre-registered exclusion of bipolar cells, matched 12-form baselines, salt replications establishing deterministic open-weight incoherence, convergent free-choice checks, and an explicit, reproducible analysis pipeline. The (m, s) parameterization and the demonstration that deliberation shrinks |m| are useful, falsifiable summaries for future work.
major comments (3)
- [Abstract; Results “Lexical, not logical”; Fig. 5] Abstract and Results (“Lexical, not logical” / Fig. 5): the abstract states that the verdict-attached logical bias “proves ≈0 for every frontier model.” Methods and Fig. 5 correctly qualify that six of seven A/B logic CIs span zero (exception −0.02) and that Haiku’s logic channels are wide (±0.2–0.3) and underpowered, so the claim is a bound there. Align the abstract and significance statement with that qualification; “≈0 where precisely measured; a bound for Haiku” is what the data support.
- [Materials and Methods (I-3, refusal handling); Results Fig. 2] Methods I-3 / refusal handling: Haiku refuses on 28%/35% of core verb-flip trials and Flash-Lite withholds on 24%. Bias estimates condition on non-refusal after cell exclusion. The paper shows family concentration is not a pure refusal artifact (Flash-Lite ≈0 bias despite high withholding), but does not report whether refusal rates differ systematically by verb, printed order, or label. Differential refusal by frame would make exclusion non-ignorable for the order/lexical split. Please report refusal rates by the crossed factors (or a sensitivity analysis that bounds the bias under plausible missingness) for the high-refusal configurations.
- [Results “An internal moral scale exists”; Methods I-2] Results I-2 convergent validity (r = 0.82–0.90 with graded θ): free-choice verdicts are extracted by Claude Opus 4.8, which shares a vendor family with several subjects. The authors flag circularity risk and ship transcripts, but the main-text correlations are presented as primary convergent evidence for the latent scale. Either re-extract a subset with an independent judge (or human coding) and report agreement, or move the I-2 correlations to a clearly caveated secondary check so the θ claim does not rest on same-family judging.
minor comments (5)
- [Fig. 1b caption] Fig. 1b: variance-share bars (anchor-direction solid, scale hatched) combine in quadrature; a one-line reminder in the caption that shares are not linearly additive would prevent misreading stacked heights.
- [Methods; throughout Results] Notation: b, z, θ, m, s, and σ_repro are introduced across Results and Methods; a short symbol table in Methods or SI would help readers track the [−1, +1] convention and the distinction between descriptive incoherence spreads and bootstrap CIs.
- [Results “The standard readout overlays a format artifact”; Methods “Cheung-verbatim control”] The Cheung-verbatim K01 control (order-balanced residual +0.01, CI spanning zero) is important for engaging the source finding; consider elevating one sentence of it into the main Results paragraph on decomposition rather than leaving it mostly in Methods.
- [Results opening; Discussion scopes] SI Appendix is heavily referenced for open-weight degeneracy (Nemotron), salt floors, and G coefficients; ensure the main text’s “small open-weight models fail in model-specific ways” is self-contained enough that a reader who skips SI still sees the discrimination-vs-coherence distinction (G vs raw σ_repro).
- [Introduction; Methods model panel] Typos / polish: “theyes–no bias” spacing in the Introduction; occasional missing spaces after em-dashes in the compiled text; confirm that “GPT-5.5” and model snapshot IDs are the intended public names at submission.
Circularity Check
No significant circularity: independent instruments, definitional crossing identity used transparently as measurement, and fitted (m,s) as descriptive summary rather than forced prediction.
full rationale
The paper's load-bearing chain does not reduce inputs to outputs by construction. Stance θ is recovered from the graded instrument I-1 (24 unipolar conditions; no yes/no labels or printed order), while binary artifacts are measured on a separate forced-binary instrument I-3; free-choice I-2 supplies an independent convergent check (r = 0.82–0.90). The identity b_apparent = b_order + b_lexical is stated as exact and definitional from the verb×order crossing (Eq. 1), which is standard factorial measurement, not a disguised prediction: the scientific content is that the summands are separately measurable and that the verdict-attached (logical) component collapses to ≈0 under fully arbitrary A/B labels—an empirical result of the label-swap design, not forced by the yes/no token identity. The logistic P = σ((θ ± m)/s) is a fitted descriptive summary of observed flip-pairs (bowtie/ridge geometry), with θ as an external regressor from I-1; m and s are not inserted into the central claim by definition, and the paper flags errors-in-variables attenuation and clip-limited s. No self-citation chain, uniqueness theorem, or ansatz from the same author underwrites the result. Materials are from Cheung et al.; the decomposition and logical-null are new measurements on those materials. Honest non-finding: score 0.
Axiom & Free-Parameter Ledger
free parameters (3)
- framing susceptibility m (per bias channel and model configuration)
- moral decisiveness s (per bias channel and model configuration)
- stance heta per dilemma
axioms (5)
- domain assumption Logically equivalent but operationally independent graded elicitations that agree recover a latent stance (convergent validity).
- standard math Canonical logistic link p = σ(( heta ± m)/s) from continuous latent to binary choice.
- standard math Balanced 2-vs-2 splits of the four verb imes order cells separate order from lexical contributions exactly (Eq. 1).
- domain assumption Arbitrary answer labels (A/B) carry the verdict without carrying English yes/no lexical content, so the logic projection isolates verdict attachment.
- domain assumption Sampling-corrected between-form variance σ_repro is the dominant uncertainty and the proper error bar on stance.
invented entities (2)
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framing susceptibility m and moral decisiveness s
no independent evidence
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crossed-symmetrization psychometric battery (I-1/I-2/I-3)
independent evidence
read the original abstract
Large language models (LLMs) increasingly issue judgments read as binary verdicts, and a growing literature reports such judgments shifting under logically irrelevant changes of wording - among them an amplified yes-no bias on moral dilemmas, absent in humans. A single framing cannot say what such a shift is: in a yes/no question the word "no" is at once logical verdict, lexical token, and last-printed option. We introduce a psychometric battery that separates these: crossed symmetrization - every logically irrelevant factor flipped in balanced pairs - across a corpus of question forms. A graded rating across logically equivalent forms recovers a coherent internal moral scale: frontier models' stance $\theta$ is nearly format-invariant (cross-form incoherence 0.12-0.21 on a $\pm 1$ axis); small open-weight models fail in model-specific ways. Forcing the verdict through yes/no overlays a decomposable artifact: an order bias toward the last-printed option - opposite to classic human primacy - plus a lexical pull toward the word "no"; the artifact is substantial only in the Claude models (story-averaged -0.32 to -0.86), $\approx 0$ for GPT-5.5 and Gemini, and shrinks under extended reasoning. The word and the verdict share one token; swapping the words for arbitrary labels separates them, and the verdict-attached logical bias proves $\approx 0$ for every frontier model, while model-specific label and order attachments remain: the models are not drawn toward rejecting - the pull follows the printed surface, not the verdict it carries. A minimal model, $P = \sigma((\theta \pm m)/s)$, summarizes any such artifact by a framing susceptibility m and a moral decisiveness s, measurably distinct from sampling temperature. The battery applies unchanged to any dilemma set and binary format: measuring what a model values requires crossing the frames of the question, not asking once.
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