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The paper reports the first measurements of the three lowest Upsilon states in oxygen-oxygen collisions and the two lowest in neon-neon collisions, finding that the excited states are strongly suppressed relative to the ground state, with t
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2026-08-02 03:46 UTC pith:HXKL4SDQ
load-bearing objection First Upsilon(nS) double ratios in OO and NeNe are a solid new data point; the sequential-suppression interpretation is a conditional because the CNM cancellation claim is under-supported. the 3 major comments →
Evidence for sequential Upsilon(nS) suppression in light ion collisions
The pith
A machine-rendered reading of the paper's core claim, the machinery that carries it, and where it could break.
Core claim
The central claim is that in oxygen-oxygen collisions the double ratios D21 = 0.664 ± 0.055 ± 0.007, D31 = 0.392 ± 0.077 ± 0.023, and D32 = 0.59 ± 0.12 ± 0.04 are all below unity, with D21 and D31 deviating by more than five standard deviations and D32 by 3.2 standard deviations. In neon-neon collisions, D21 = 0.27 ± 0.12 ± 0.01 is even lower. The authors argue that these ratios, which cancel common uncertainties and initial-state effects, isolate final-state dissociation of the more weakly bound excited states, providing evidence for sequential suppression in systems with on average about ten participating nucleons.
What carries the argument
The key observable is the double ratio D_nm = (Y(nS)/Y(mS))_AA / (Y(nS)/Y(mS))_pp, where n,m denote the Upsilon states. Constructing the ratio of the nucleus-nucleus single ratio to the proton-proton single ratio cancels experimental uncertainties and cold-nuclear-matter effects that affect all Upsilon states alike, leaving a clean probe of state-dependent, final-state suppression. The hierarchy of binding energies — 1.10, 0.54, and 0.20 GeV for the 1S, 2S, and 3S states — is what makes 'sequential' suppression observable: the more weakly bound states should dissolve earlier in a hot medium.
Load-bearing premise
The load-bearing assumption is that cold-nuclear-matter effects and feed-down contributions affect all three Upsilon states equally, so that any deficit in the double ratios can be attributed to final-state medium effects; if these effects are state-dependent, the observed pattern could arise without a quark-gluon plasma.
What would settle it
A measurement of the Upsilon(nS) double ratios in proton-lead (or proton-oxygen) collisions at the same energy, where a hot medium is less likely, that shows the same deficit would falsify the final-state interpretation. More straightforwardly, if the D32 significance drops below 3 sigma with additional oxygen-oxygen data, the claimed 'first evidence' for sequential suppression would be weakened.
If this is right
- If the claim holds, quark-gluon plasma signatures do not require large fireballs; systems with only about 10 participating nucleons can produce the same sequential pattern as lead-lead.
- The compatibility of D32 between oxygen-oxygen and lead-lead collisions suggests that the dissociation of the most weakly bound state is governed by similar medium conditions, not by total volume.
- The measured suppression is stronger than current hydrodynamic-plus-dissociation model predictions, indicating that the underlying dissociation mechanisms are not fully captured.
- The neon-neon D21 value being lower than oxygen-oxygen provides a new handle on how suppression scales with system size among light ions.
- These results provide a bridge between proton-lead and lead-lead measurements, constraining models of bottomonium production across system sizes.
Where Pith is reading between the lines
- If state-dependent cold-nuclear-matter effects (e.g., different nPDF modifications or feed-down for excited states) are later found to be sizable, the double-ratio interpretation would need revision; a measurement of the same states in proton-nucleus collisions at 5.36 TeV would provide a direct check.
- The apparent pT-independence of D32, if confirmed with more statistics, would suggest that the suppression is dominated by the medium's early-time temperature rather than by energy-loss or formation-time effects.
- One could test the 'small-system QGP' interpretation by measuring elliptic flow of the Upsilon states themselves in oxygen-oxygen collisions; a positive signal would tie the suppression to a thermalized medium.
Editorial analysis
A structured set of objections, weighed in public.
Referee Report
Summary. The manuscript reports the first measurements of the Upsilon(1S), Upsilon(2S), and Upsilon(3S) states in oxygen-oxygen collisions and of the Upsilon(1S,2S) states in neon-neon collisions at sqrt(s_NN)=5.36 TeV, using a pp reference at the same energy. The analysis is based on dimuon invariant mass fits, acceptance/efficiency corrections, and standard systematic variations. The central results are the double ratios D21=0.664+/-0.055+/-0.007, D31=0.392+/-0.077+/-0.023, and D32=0.59+/-0.12+/-0.04 in OO, and D21=0.27+/-0.12+/-0.01 in NeNe. The paper interprets the OO ratios, especially the 3.2-sigma D32 deficit, as evidence for sequential Upsilon(nS) suppression in small symmetric collision systems, compares the results with pPb and PbPb measurements and with the SHINCHON model, and reports multiplicity and pT differential trends.
Significance. If the interpretation holds, the OO D32 deficit is the first indication that Upsilon(3S) is suppressed relative to Upsilon(2S) in light-ion collisions, extending the sequential-suppression pattern to systems with Npart of order 10. The experimental analysis is careful, the values are stated with separated statistical and systematic uncertainties, and the quoted significances are internally consistent with the reported numbers: D21 is about 6.1 sigma, D31 about 7.6 sigma, and D32 about 3.2 sigma below unity. The paper is appropriately cautious in calling D32 'evidence' rather than 'observation.' The primary weakness is that the final-state interpretation rests on the premise that initial-state nuclear effects cancel in D_nm because they affect all Upsilon(nS) states similarly; this premise is not quantitatively supported and is load-bearing for the central claim.
major comments (3)
- [Section 2, D_nm definition] The statement that D_nm and S_nm cancel initial-state nuclear effects 'expected to modify all of the Upsilon(nS) states similarly [49]' is load-bearing for the conclusion. Reference [49] is a coherent-photoproduction measurement and does not address hadroproduction cold-nuclear-matter effects. nPDF shadowing/anti-shadowing, coherent energy loss, and state-dependent feed-down can leave a state-dependent contribution in D_nm. The paper itself later, in the multiplicity paragraph, acknowledges 'possible differences in feed-down contributions.' Since D32 is only 3.2 sigma from unity, a modest state-dependent CNM correction could move it to unity. Please provide a quantitative bound on state-dependent CNM (e.g., from pPb double ratios or nPDF calculations) or explicitly weaken the final-state conclusion.
- [Figure 3 / SHINCHON comparison] The SHINCHON comparison is invoked as support for a final-state interpretation, but the model description given in the text contains no CNM component. The paper states that the calculation 'significantly underestimates the measured suppression,' but the gap is of the same order as the size of a CNM contribution that would be needed to explain the data. This comparison therefore does not close the loophole identified in the D_nm definition. The summary statement that these observables 'isolate final-state medium effects' is too strong. The manuscript should either add state-dependent CNM to the model comparison or state that the data are consistent with, but do not uniquely require, QGP-driven sequential suppression.
- [Results, NeNe D21] The measured NeNe D21 = 0.27 +/- 0.12 +/- 0.01 is quoted as 3.0 standard deviations lower than the OO D21 = 0.664. This is a striking difference between two small symmetric systems and is not discussed beyond the quoted significance. If taken at face value it complicates the 'clear hierarchy' in Fig. 2 and the system-size narrative. The authors should quantify the consistency between OO and NeNe with correlated systematics treated explicitly, and discuss whether the difference bears on the state-independence assumption for CNM effects.
minor comments (4)
- [Abstract] The abstract says 'The Upsilon(2S)/Upsilon(1S) ratio is found to be significantly below the measured pp reference value' without specifying the collision system. Since the OO and NeNe values differ substantially, this should be made explicit for both systems.
- [Figure 3 caption] The text says the right panel presents pT-differential D21, D31, and D32, but the figure caption only names D32. Please make the caption consistent with the content of the panel.
- [Systematics paragraph] The systematic uncertainty ranges are useful, but a compact table listing all integrated and differential D_nm and S_nm values with statistical and systematic uncertainties would improve readability and reproducibility.
- [NeNe significance] The 3.0-standard-deviation difference between NeNe and OO D21 should state explicitly how the uncertainty was combined (statistical and systematic, with or without correlations between the two measurements) so that the claim is reproducible.
Circularity Check
No significant circularity: the double ratios are direct data ratios against an external pp baseline, and no fitted parameter is relabeled as a prediction.
full rationale
The derivation chain is self-contained and non-circular. The central observables D_nm are defined directly as ratios of measured yields in AA collisions divided by the same ratio measured in a separately collected pp reference at the same collision energy (Eq. 1), so they are raw data products rather than outputs of a fitted model. The pp baseline is an external reference, not constructed from the AA data, and the paper explicitly reports the statistical and systematic uncertainties propagating from both samples. The claim of sequential suppression is a significance statement about the measured D21, D31, and D32 values being below unity, not a prediction obtained from a parameter fitted to those values. The only model comparison, SHINCHON, is an independent calculation that is compared with, not fitted to, the data; the model significantly underestimates the measured suppression, which is the opposite of a circular agreement. The assumption that initial-state nuclear effects modify all Upsilon(nS) states similarly is a physical premise used in interpreting the double ratio, but it is not derived from the data it is used to explain; the paper even acknowledges possible feed-down differences in the multiplicity-dependent discussion and notes that event activity alone does not fully determine suppression. The in-text caveats are therefore explicit assumptions, not hidden equivalences. There are numerous self-citations, but they are used for apparatus, previous measurements, and luminosity, not as the load-bearing justification for the central result. The cited reference [49] attached to the CNM-cancellation sentence concerns coherent Upsilon(1S) photoproduction and does not by itself establish the state-independence premise; this is a weakness in the support for a stated assumption, not a circular step. No equation reduces to another by construction, and no fitted parameter is renamed as a prediction, so the circularity score is 0.
Axiom & Free-Parameter Ledger
axioms (5)
- domain assumption Cold nuclear matter and initial-state effects modify all Upsilon(nS) yields similarly, so they cancel in the double ratios D_nm.
- domain assumption Upsilon production in simulations can be treated as unpolarized, with pT spectra reweighted to data.
- domain assumption Detector simulation (GEANT4), event generators (PYTHIA8, HIJING), and tag-and-probe scale factors accurately describe dimuon trigger, reconstruction, and selection efficiencies.
- domain assumption The background shape (error function times exponential, or Chebyshev alternative) correctly models the continuum under the Upsilon resonances.
- domain assumption The MC Glauber model provides a valid estimate of Npart for OO and NeNe collisions.
read the original abstract
Bound states of heavy quark-antiquark pairs, known as quarkonia, have long been regarded as particularly sensitive probes of the quark-gluon plasma (QGP). Comparing quarkonium yields in collisions of heavy nuclei, such as gold or lead, with a proton-proton (pp) reference reveals a characteristic pattern of sequential suppression, in which weakly-bound excited states are more strongly suppressed than the ground states. We report the first measurements of the three lowest mass $\mathrm{S}$-wave vector bottomonium resonances, the ground state $\Upsilon$(1S) and the excited states $\Upsilon$(2S) and $\Upsilon$(3S), in oxygen-oxygen collisions at a center-of-mass energy per nucleon pair of $\sqrt{s_\mathrm{NN}}$ = 5.36 TeV. Measurements of the yields of the $\Upsilon$(1S) and $\Upsilon$(2S) resonances in neon-neon collisions, at the same $\sqrt{s_\mathrm{NN}}$, are also presented. The $\Upsilon$(2S)/$\Upsilon$(1S) ratio is found to be significantly below the measured pp reference value, and the $\Upsilon$(3S)/$\Upsilon$(1S) ratio shows an even larger reduction. The significance of the relative $\Upsilon$(3S) to $\Upsilon$(2S) suppression exceeds three standard deviations. These results provide evidence for the sequential suppression of $\Upsilon$(nS) states in light ion collisions, similar to observations made in lead-lead and gold-gold collisions, generally attributed to the presence of a QGP medium.
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