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B-GRTO reuses GRPO rollouts to jointly optimize the policy and segmentation decoder for referring segmentation.

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load-bearing objection B-GRTO reuses GRPO rollouts to jointly train the decoder but the abstract gives no derivation or check that this avoids bias in the policy gradients. the 2 major comments →

arxiv 2605.23500 v2 pith:NKHY7HFY submitted 2026-05-22 cs.CV cs.LG

B-GRTO: Bootstrapped Group Relative Tool Optimization for Referring Segmentation

Mario Markov , Stefan Maria Ailuro , Mohammad Mahdi , Luc Van Gool , Danda Pani Paudel (INSAIT , Sofia University "St. Kliment Ohridski") This is my paper
classification cs.CV cs.LG
keywords referring segmentationreinforcement learningvision-language modelsgroup relative policy optimizationsegmentation decoderbootstrapped pre-trainingtool optimizationpolicy optimization
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The paper presents Group Relative Tool Optimization as a way to combine reinforcement learning for a vision-language policy with differentiable training of a segmentation decoder. GRTO reuses the same rollouts to supply gradients that update the decoder while the policy receives rewards. Bootstrapped-GRTO adds a cheap pre-training stage for the decoder that accelerates later joint training. Across three referring segmentation benchmarks the method delivers clear gains over plain GRPO and reaches or exceeds specialized state-of-the-art results. A reader would care because the work shows how trainable tools can be folded into reinforcement learning without extra sampling or separate optimization loops.

Core claim

GRTO reuses GRPO rollouts to optimize the auxiliary tool objective, letting decoder gradients complement policy rewards. B-GRTO bootstraps the tool in a pre-training phase to reach faster convergence and higher final performance. Across three challenging referring segmentation settings, B-GRTO yields substantial improvements over plain GRPO while matching or surpassing domain-specific state-of-the-art methods.

What carries the argument

Bootstrapped Group Relative Tool Optimization (B-GRTO), which reuses group relative policy optimization rollouts to optimize the segmentation decoder jointly with the policy.

Load-bearing premise

Decoder gradients obtained from GRPO rollouts can be directly reused to optimize the auxiliary tool objective without destabilizing policy learning or introducing bias from the shared rollout distribution.

What would settle it

Running B-GRTO on the three referring segmentation benchmarks and finding no improvement or worse results than plain GRPO on held-out test sets would falsify the value of the joint rollout reuse.

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If this is right

  • Decoder gradients can be used to support policy learning without separate sampling or optimization passes.
  • B-GRTO reaches faster convergence than standard GRPO training.
  • Performance gains hold across multiple referring segmentation settings and reach levels of domain-specific methods.
  • Unifying reinforcement learning with differentiable auxiliary objectives improves reasoning-intensive segmentation.

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  • The reuse of rollouts could extend to other differentiable tools such as detectors or depth estimators in vision-language pipelines.
  • Shared sampling between policy and tool may lower overall compute compared with training each component independently.
  • The framework suggests that pre-training a tool on rollout data can serve as a general initialization strategy for joint RL and gradient-based optimization.

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Summary. The paper introduces Group Relative Tool Optimization (GRTO), a framework for jointly optimizing a policy with differentiable tool use by reusing GRPO rollouts to optimize an auxiliary tool objective (e.g., segmentation decoder), and derives Bootstrapped-GRTO (B-GRTO) as a pre-training method. It claims that B-GRTO yields substantial improvements over plain GRPO across three referring segmentation settings while matching or surpassing domain-specific SOTA methods.

Significance. If the empirical gains are robust and the joint optimization is shown to be unbiased, the unification of RL policy gradients with differentiable auxiliary objectives could meaningfully advance reasoning-intensive vision-language segmentation systems by allowing decoder gradients to complement rewards without separate training stages.

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  1. [Abstract] Abstract: the central claim that B-GRTO produces genuine improvements via 'reusing GRPO rollouts to optimize the auxiliary tool objective' is load-bearing, yet no equation or derivation is supplied showing that the tool loss term remains unbiased w.r.t. the policy gradient or that the joint update preserves the relative advantage estimates of GRPO. Without this, reported gains could arise from distribution shift or reward correlation rather than the intended unification.
  2. [Abstract] Abstract: the statement of 'substantial improvements over plain GRPO' and 'matching or surpassing domain-specific state-of-the-art methods' supplies no metrics, baselines, ablation tables, or statistical tests, so the magnitude, consistency, and significance of the gains cannot be evaluated from the provided text.

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We thank the referee for highlighting these points on the abstract. We address each comment below and will revise the abstract accordingly while preserving its brevity.

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  1. Referee: [Abstract] Abstract: the central claim that B-GRTO produces genuine improvements via 'reusing GRPO rollouts to optimize the auxiliary tool objective' is load-bearing, yet no equation or derivation is supplied showing that the tool loss term remains unbiased w.r.t. the policy gradient or that the joint update preserves the relative advantage estimates of GRPO. Without this, reported gains could arise from distribution shift or reward correlation rather than the intended unification.

    Authors: Section 3 of the manuscript derives the GRTO objective and shows that the auxiliary tool loss, computed on GRPO-sampled rollouts, yields an unbiased gradient estimate relative to the policy because the sampling distribution matches the policy and the relative advantage normalization is unchanged by the auxiliary term. The joint update is a linear combination of the two gradients that does not modify the advantage estimates. We will add a one-sentence reference to this property and the relevant equation to the abstract. revision: yes

  2. Referee: [Abstract] Abstract: the statement of 'substantial improvements over plain GRPO' and 'matching or surpassing domain-specific state-of-the-art methods' supplies no metrics, baselines, ablation tables, or statistical tests, so the magnitude, consistency, and significance of the gains cannot be evaluated from the provided text.

    Authors: Abstracts are typically kept free of numbers, but we agree that including the key quantitative results would allow readers to assess the claims immediately. In revision we will insert concise performance deltas (e.g., average mIoU gains on the three benchmarks) and note that full tables, baselines, and significance tests appear in the experimental section. revision: yes

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full rationale

The provided abstract and description introduce GRTO as a 'mathematically grounded framework' that reuses GRPO rollouts for tool optimization and derives B-GRTO as a bootstrapping pre-training method. No equations, derivations, or self-referential definitions are visible. Claims of improvement are presented as empirical results across settings rather than predictions forced by fitting or self-definition. No load-bearing self-citations, uniqueness theorems, or ansatzes smuggled via prior work appear. The derivation chain is self-contained against external benchmarks and does not reduce to its inputs by construction.

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Segmentation is a fundamental task in computer vision, underpinning pixel-level scene understanding and serving as a cornerstone for applications ranging from autonomous perception to medical image analysis. For complex referring segmentation, recent methods pair large vision-language models with segmentation decoders: the former analyzes the image and prompt, while the latter predicts the target mask. Although reinforcement learning improves reasoning-intensive vision-language systems, trainable tools such as segmentation decoders are typically optimized separately with differentiable objectives, and the principled integration of such objectives into reinforcement learning remains underexplored. Thus, we introduce group relative tool optimization (GRTO), a mathematically grounded framework for jointly optimizing a policy with differentiable tool use. GRTO reuses group relative policy optimization (GRPO) rollouts to optimize the auxiliary tool objective, letting decoder gradients complement policy rewards. Further, we derive Bootstrapped-GRTO (B-GRTO), a pre-training method that cheaply bootstraps the tool, leading to faster convergence and superior performance. Across three challenging referring segmentation settings, B-GRTO results in substantial improvements over plain GRPO, matching or surpassing domain-specific state-of-the-art methods. This demonstrates the value of unifying reinforcement learning with differentiable auxiliary objectives for reasoning-intensive segmentation.

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Figure 1. Figure 1: a): Examples requiring both reasoning and tuned segmentation tool: frozen tool (GRPO) [PITH_FULL_IMAGE:figures/full_fig_p001_1.png] view at source ↗
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Figure 2. Figure 2: a) Most tool fine-tuning methods require instruction prompts to be perfectly specified [PITH_FULL_IMAGE:figures/full_fig_p003_2.png] view at source ↗
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Figure 3. Figure 3: The Bootstrapped Group Relative Tool Optimization (B-GRTO) pipeline: first, the tool [PITH_FULL_IMAGE:figures/full_fig_p004_3.png] view at source ↗
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Figure 4. Figure 4: a) Results of ablation studies conducted on EarthReason. b) B-GRPO gains compared to [PITH_FULL_IMAGE:figures/full_fig_p008_4.png] view at source ↗
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Figure 5. Figure 5: Evaluation performance for camouflage trainings. Tracked metric is weighted F-measure. [PITH_FULL_IMAGE:figures/full_fig_p017_5.png] view at source ↗
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Figure 6. Figure 6: Evaluation performance for remote sensing trainings. Tracked metric is mean between [PITH_FULL_IMAGE:figures/full_fig_p017_6.png] view at source ↗
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Figure 7. Figure 7: Evaluation performance for reasoning segmentation trainings. Tracked metric is mean [PITH_FULL_IMAGE:figures/full_fig_p018_7.png] view at source ↗
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Figure 8. Figure 8: COD10K test set qualitative results. The red box in the image shows the ground-truth [PITH_FULL_IMAGE:figures/full_fig_p019_8.png] view at source ↗
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Figure 9. Figure 9: ReasonSeg-X test set qualitative results. The red box in the image shows the ground-truth [PITH_FULL_IMAGE:figures/full_fig_p020_9.png] view at source ↗
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Figure 10. Figure 10: EarthReason test set qualitative results. The red box in the image shows the ground-truth [PITH_FULL_IMAGE:figures/full_fig_p021_10.png] view at source ↗
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Figure 11. Figure 11: Code10k error study [PITH_FULL_IMAGE:figures/full_fig_p022_11.png] view at source ↗
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Figure 12. Figure 12: EarthReason error study. G Prompts used In this section, we provide the full prompts used to query InternVL3.5-8B across all three domains. Remote sensing. We use the following template for the remote sensing domain, where "prompt" is replaced with the disentangled raw prompt as provided in the dataset. Please find "{prompt}" with bbox(es). Also provide exactly one referential noun phrase that uniquely id… view at source ↗

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