High Energy Physics - Theory · arXiv:hep-th/0701122 v2 · submitted 12 Jan 2007 · 28 references
Typicality versus thermality: An analytic distinction
The paper says
“In systems with a large degeneracy of states such as black holes, one expects that the average value of probe correlation functions will be well approximated by the thermal ensemble.”
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To understand how correlation functions in individual microstates differ from the canonical ensemble average and from each other, we study the variances in correlators. Using general statistical considerations, we show that the variance between microstates will be exponentially suppressed in the entropy. However, by exploiting the analytic properties of correlation functions we argue that these variances are amplified in imaginary time, thereby distinguishing pure states from the thermal density matrix. We demonstrate our general results in specific examples and argue that our results apply to the microstates of black holes.
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Holds up, with conditions. A clean typicality computation applied to black hole microstates, with the load-bearing assumption (Haar-random superpositions) asserted rather than derived and the abstract overselling what the imaginary-time analysis actually delivers. This line is wrong
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The paper says, at Abstract [abstract:s3]; Sec. 3.2 and Sec. 3 summary
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Pith says: Objection 1 of 4 · major
The abstract states that the variances 'are amplified in imaginary time, thereby distinguishing pure states from the thermal density matrix', but the body does not establish that the amplification is the mechanism of distinction. In Sec. 3.2 the paper itself notes that to make the Msup variance unsuppressed one must wait until τ = 3β/2, 'However, by that time the mean correlator will also have grown exponentially large making separation of states difficult' (text following Eq. 3.26).
more of objection 1
The distinction actually demonstrated is imaginary-time periodicity: the thermal correlator diverges at τ = β while the microstate correlator is finite (Sec. 3 summary, Sec. 4.2, Sec. 5). The abstract should be rewritten to attribute the pure-vs-thermal distinction to periodicity, with the variance amplification presented as a separate (and partly defeated) effect.
The paper says, at Sec. 2.2, Eqs. (2.27) and (2.29); Sec. 5
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Pith says: Objection 2 of 4 · major
The e^{-S} suppression follows from the uniform (Haar) measure on the coefficients c_s in Eq. (2.2), via Eq. (2.27). The identification of physical black-hole microstates with typical elements of Msup is asserted through typicality and the citation to [22], not derived from the CFT dynamics.
more of objection 2
This is load-bearing because Sec. 3.2 shows the conclusion reverses in Mbas: the ratio √var/⟨O⟩ is large for τ > β/2 in Mbas (Eq. 3.25) but suppressed by e^{-S} in Msup (Eq. 3.26). The Discussion sentence that variances 'computed in generic microstates' are suppressed by e^{-S} should say explicitly 'generic elements of Msup', and the measure assumption should be stated in the abstract or introduction rather than only in Appendix C.
The paper says, at Sec. 4.2, Eqs. (4.8)–(4.12); footnote 8
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Pith says: Objection 3 of 4 · major
The D1-D5 variance is computed in the canonical ensemble of all twists and the e^{-S} factor is appended at the end in Eq. (4.12). Footnote 8 asserts that fractionation keeps the canonical variance under control for all finite imaginary time, unlike the free-boson case, but no bound or demonstration is given, and Sec. 3.2 shows that the canonical variance in the free-boson case diverges at τ = β/2.
more of objection 3
Since the τ ∼ S² crossover is one of the paper's two explicit demonstrations, the authors should either verify the canonical result against the fixed-N microcanonical ensemble or supply a bound showing the canonical approximation does not change the crossover scale.
The paper says, at Sec. 4.2, Eq. (4.12)
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Pith says: Objection 4 of 4 · major
At the crossover τ ∼ S² the ratio in Eq. (4.12) reaches O(1) only after dividing the Mbas result by e^{S/2}. The paper should state the absolute size of the mean correlator ⟨Ĝ(τ)⟩ and of its standard deviation at that τ, and say explicitly whether an O(1) ratio there is measurable given the growth of the mean. Without this, the claim that the crossover 'distinguishes' microstates in the D1-D5 case is not yet tied to an observable.
7 minor objections
The paper says, at Sec. 3.1, Eq. (3.8)
Pith says: minor objection 1 of 7
The entropy is written as S = 2ζ(2)β + O(log β), but with β = √(ζ(2)/E) from Eq. (3.7) this gives S ∝ 1/√E, which decreases with energy. The correct expression, consistent with S = 2βE used below Eq. (3.26), is S = 2ζ(2)/β + O(log β); this appears to be a typographical error.
The paper says, at Sec. 4.2, Eq. (4.12)
Pith says: minor objection 2 of 7
The exponent is written as e^{(βτ − 1/β)/2}, replacing S by 1/β. With N ≈ 2π²/β² and e^S = e^{2π√2√N} one has S ≈ 4π²/β, so the exponent should carry S rather than 1/β. The parametric conclusion τ ∼ S² is unaffected, but the displayed formula is off by an O(1) factor in the exponent.
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The paper says, at Sec. 3.2, Eq. (3.23)
Pith says: minor objection 3 of 7
The lower bound relies on g(n) ≈ 1 for n below a threshold n_c, justified only by the remark that 'on general grounds the canonical ensemble will approximate Mbas well for small occupation numbers'. Since the qualitative growth at τ = β/2 rests on this lower bound, the approximation should be stated explicitly or the error bounded.
The paper says, at Sec. 3.2, text below Eq. (3.21)
Pith says: minor objection 4 of 7
The statement that 'a quick inspection of the definitions of F, F̃ reveals that F(n) > F̃(n)' should be shown: it follows because cov(N_n,N_m) ≤ 0 and (m cosh mτ)/(n cosh nτ) < 1 for m < n, so each subtracted term in F is smaller in magnitude than the corresponding term in F̃.
The paper says, at Sec. 5
Pith says: minor objection 5 of 7
The claim that the canonical and microcanonical ensembles 'are not dual to eternal black holes as they are sometimes taken to be' is stronger than the analysis supports, given the paper's own acknowledgment that the average over many measurements reproduces the thermofield result. The sentence should be softened to distinguish the averaged quantity (which does match the eternal black hole) from single-microstate correlators.
The paper says, at Sec. 2.1.2, Eqs. (2.23) and (2.29)
Pith says: minor objection 6 of 7
The symbol ⟨Z²[J1,J2]⟩ is used both for the connected second moment defined in Eq. (2.23) and in Eq. (2.29) as the quantity suppressed by e^{-S}. A distinct notation for the connected piece would avoid ambiguity.
The paper says, at Figure 1
Pith says: minor objection 7 of 7
The caption notes that the figure is reproduced from [17], but it should also state which panels or curves are new to this paper and which are taken over unchanged.
What would settle it
For the D1-D5 system, compute the variance of the correlator (4.6) in the exact microcanonical ensemble of fixed total twist N (the combinatorial distribution of twist numbers N_{n mu} with sum n N_{n mu} = N), rather than the canonical Bose-Einstein approximation (4.5). Compare the resulting sqrt(var)/<G> to Eq. (4.12). If the exact microcanonical ratio is O(1) at tau ~ S (as in the free boson Mbas case) rather than at tau ~ S^2, the e^{-S} suppression is an artifact of the canonical/Haar approximation and the physical microstates are distinguishable much earlier.
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The core of this paper is a short, correct calculation: if you average a local correlator over the ensemble of all normalized superpositions of eS energy eigenstates, the variance is suppressed by e−S relative to the variance over the basis states (Eq. 2.29). That follows directly from the uniform measure (Eq. 2.27) and is essentially the standard typicality story — Page, Popescu-Short-Winter — transplanted to black hole microstates. The genuinely new part is the application: the claim that individual microstates are indistinguishable from the thermal average in real time below the recurrence time, and that the D1-D5 crossover in imaginary time sits at τ ~ S² (Eq. 4.12). The free-boson section is the most convincing piece of work in the paper; the bounds in Eq. 3.23 are explicit and the F(n) > F̃(n) > 0 argument, while a bit quick, is plausible and checkable. The D1-D5 variance (Eq. 4.8) is written out and the scaling analysis is honest about which terms dominate in which regime. Credit where due: this is careful, and the authors do not hide the awkward parts — Sec. 5 and the free-boson summary both say plainly that at the imaginary time where the variance grows, the mean correlator grows too, so the separation is in-principle rather than operational. That is the right thing to say, and they say it. Two soft spots. First, the Haar measure is a modeling choice, not derived from the CFT. The physical claim needs black hole microstates to be typical draws from Msup, and the paper supports that with a citation to [22] plus the observation that generic states are random superpositions. The free-boson example shows how much rides on this: in Mbas the ratio is large for τ > β/2 (Eq. 3.25), in Msup it is crushed by e−S (Eq. 3.26). If the fuzzball geometries are Mbas elements, the suppression does not apply. Second, the abstract's 'thereby distinguishing pure states from the thermal density matrix' is looser than the body. What actually distinguishes pure from thermal is imaginary-time periodicity — thermal correlators diverge at τ = β, microstates do not — and that is a much simpler and more robust point than variance amplification. The variance story does not obviously help, since everything grows in imaginary time. The D1-D5 computation is done canonically with the e−S factor appended at the end; footnote 8 argues fractionation keeps the canonical variance under control, but that is an argument, not a check against fixed total twist. Worth a serious referee. The general result is right and the conceptual point — that the canonical CFT ensemble is not dual to a single eternal black hole — is worth putting in front of people who work on fuzzballs and information. I would cite it for the e−S statement and the S² timescale, not for the abstract's framing.
The strongest objection
The central result, Eq. (2.29), follows from the measure (2.27), which is the Haar measure on the sphere of superposition coefficients c_s. The physical claim — that black hole microstates are drawn from this ensemble — is supported by the assertion that 'generic foam microstates ... correspond to quantum superpositions of the chiral primary operators' [22]. But a superposition with fixed coefficients is a single state, not a Haar-random draw; the e^{-S} suppression requires averaging over the measure, and the paper does not derive the measure from the CFT dynamics. The paper's own free boson example makes the ensemble choice load-bearing: in Mbas the ratio sqrt(var)/<O> is large for tau > beta/2 (Eq. 3.25), while in Msup it is suppressed by e^{-S} (Eq. 3.26). If the physical microstates are Mbas elements (as the fuzzball program constructs specific geometries), the suppression does not apply and the crossover scale changes. The D1-D5 computation (Eq. 4.8) is done in the canonical ensemble of all twists, with the e^{-S} factor appended at the end (Eq. 4.12); the paper argues the canonical variance is under control due to fractionation (footnote 8), but this is not verified against the exact microcanonical ensemble of fixed total twist N. The abstract's 'thereby distinguishing' [abstract:s3] is also slightly stronger than the body, which shows the pure-vs-thermal distinction is via imaginary-time periodicity, not via variance amplification.
The paper's general result (Eq. 2.29) is a correct computation given the Haar measure (2.27), and the imaginary-time amplification of the variance is a real feature of the correlators. The two examples are worked carefully, and the D1-D5 crossover scale tau ~ S^2 (Eq. 4.12) is an explicit, checkable prediction. The load-bearing soft spot is the identification of physical microstates with typical elements of Msup, which is asserted via [22] rather than derived from the CFT. The free boson example shows the ensemble choice matters: Mbas gives large variance (Eq. 3.25), Msup suppressed (Eq. 3.26). The D1-D5 result uses the canonical ensemble, which the paper argues is under control due to fractionation, but this is not verified against the exact microcanonical ensemble. The abstract's 'thereby distinguishing' is slightly stronger than the body, which shows the pure-vs-thermal distinction is via periodicity, not variance amplification. These are modeling and presentation concerns, not errors in the computation. The paper is honest about the operational difficulty (Sec. 5). CONDITIONAL remains the appropriate verdict; the reader's identification of the Haar measure as the weakest assumption is correct, and the concern does not overturn the central computation but does limit its physical reach.
The referee's report
If correct, the result is a clean and general statement about the typicality of black-hole microstates: the e^{-S} suppression of correlator variance is derived from the measure alone and does not depend on coupling, and the paper is careful to distinguish the basis ensemble Mbas from the superposition ensemble Msup (Appendix C), which is a genuine strength and is what makes the ensemble dependence of the conclusion visible rather than hidden. The two worked examples are explicit and checkable, and the imaginary-time periodicity argument gives a sharp, falsifiable statement about how a single microstate differs from the thermal density matrix. The paper does not fit parameters to data and does not rely on unpublished results; the correlator in Sec. 4 is quoted from the published [17], which is legitimate input.
Pith's reading of the paper (a machine's summary, not the authors')
The paper asks a sharp question: if a black hole has $e^{S}$ microstates, how different are the answers that a local probe operator gets in a single microstate from the answer it gets in the thermal ensemble, and from the answers in other microstates? The authors argue, from statistics alone rather than from any specific dynamics, that the variance of any local correlation function across the ensemble of random superpositions of energy eigenstates is suppressed by a factor $e^{-S}$ relative to the variance across the basis states themselves. That suppression would make microstates practically indistinguishable to a semiclassical observer in real time, which is what one wants for the usual black hole geometry to be a good effective description. Their way out is analytic: correlation functions grow exponentially as time is continued to imaginary values, so the variance, though tiny, is amplified there, and the difference between a pure microstate and a thermal density matrix becomes visible. They check this in two models, a free chiral boson on a circle and the D1-D5 conformal field theory dual to the massless BTZ black hole, and locate the imaginary-time scale at which the distinction appears.
What carries the argument. The load-bearing object is the ensemble $M_{sup}$ of normalized random superpositions $|ps> = sum_s c_s |s>$ of energy eigenstates in a window of width $Delta E$, together with the uniform measure on the coefficients $c_s$. Averaging $|c_s|^2$ and $|c_s|^2 |c_t|^2$ over that measure (their Eq. 2.27) turns the generating functional $Z[J] = <ps| e^{int J O}|ps>$ into an average over basis states plus a term suppressed by $e^{-S}$, and that suppression propagates to the variance of every $k$-point function. The second piece of machinery is the analytic continuation $t -> -i tau$: the same mode sums that oscillate in real time become hyperbolic cosines $cosh(n tau)$ in imaginary time, so both the mean correlator and its spread grow exponentially, and the ratio of spread to mean is what the authors track to find when microstates become distinguishable. The two worked examples supply the mode sums: oscillator occupancies $N_n$ constrained by $sum n N_n = E$ for the free boson, and twist numbers $N_{n mu}$ with $sum n (N_{n mu} + N'_{n mu}) = N$ for the D1-D5 orbifold, the latter with fractional frequencies that mimic the dense spectrum of a black hole.
Core claim. The central claim is that the variance of a local correlator taken over the ensemble of all normalized superpositions of the $e^{S}$ energy eigenstates in a microcanonical window is smaller than the variance over the basis states by a factor of order $e^{-S}$ (their Eq. 2.29). The authors derive this from the uniform measure on the superposition coefficients, which gives $|c_s|^2$ averaging to $1/e^{S}$, and they note that the only escape from the suppression is a probe operator whose correlators are themselves exponentially large. Real-time correlators are not, but analytically continued ones are, because oscillatory factors $e^{-i n t}$ become growing factors $e^{n t}$ at imaginary time. In the free chiral boson the standard deviation to mean ratio exceeds one for imaginary time greater than about $3b/2$ (with $b$ the inverse temperature of the comparison thermal state), and the thermal correlator's periodicity in imaginary time, with its divergence at $t = b$, is simply absent in any individual microstate. In the D1-D5 system the corresponding crossover is pushed out to imaginary time of order $S^2$. The authors read this as evidence that a fixed-energy ensemble in a CFT is not dual to a single eternal black hole geometry, but to an ensemble of microstate spacetimes that a coarse-grained observer would still describe as the black hole.
The premise it rests on. The whole $e^{-S}$ suppression rests on the assumption that the microstates of a black hole are uniformly random superpositions of energy eigenstates, drawn with equal weight over the sphere of coefficients; the paper justifies this by typicality rather than deriving it from the dynamics of the dual field theory.
If the paper is right (Pith's inferences, not the authors')
A semiclassical observer restricted to real-time, coarse-grained measurements cannot distinguish individual black hole microstates from the thermal ensemble before times of order the Poincare recurrence time $e^{S}$.
The microcanonical and canonical ensembles of a CFT are not dual to a single eternal black hole, since correlators in one asymptotic region of that geometry are periodic in imaginary time while correlators in any individual microstate are not.
The imaginary-time scale at which microstates separate from the thermal average is model dependent: about $3b/2$ for the free chiral boson and of order $S^2$ for the D1-D5 system.
Any proposal to distinguish microstates with local probes must either find operators with exponentially large correlators or work in the complex time plane, since the variance itself is suppressed by $e^{-S}$.
Horizon-free, singularity-free microstate geometries remain viable as an underlying description, because their departures from the black hole geometry are invisible to coarse-grained measurements.
The argument is purely kinematic: it uses the dimension of the energy window and the analytic structure of correlators, not the dynamics of the theory. That suggests the same $e^{-S}$ suppression should hold for any probe whose spectral function is bounded, which makes the imaginary-time escape route look like the only generic one.
If one could prepare and measure a single microstate, the natural experimental signature would be the failure of the fluctuation-dissipation relation at imaginary time, since the thermal answer is fixed by periodicity in $b$ while the microstate answer is not.
The crossover scales ($3b/2$ versus $S^2$) differ because the D1-D5 spectrum has fractional spacing, so the density of contributing modes near the relevant frequency is much larger. This hints that the imaginary-time scale is set by the density of states at the probe frequency rather than by the total entropy alone.
Nonlocal probes such as Wilson loops, which the authors mention only in passing, sum infinitely many local correlators and could in principle evade the suppression; testing whether their variance scales as $e^{-S}$ or more weakly would be a sharp check on how general the typicality argument is.
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In systems with a large degeneracy of states such as black holes, one expects that the average value of probe correlation functions will be well approximated by the thermal ensemble. To understand how correlation functions in individual microstates differ from the canonical ensemble average and from each other, we study the variances in correlators. Using general statistical considerations, we show that the variance between microstates will be exponentially suppressed in the entropy. However, by exploiting the analytic properties of correlation functions we argue that these variances are amplified in imaginary time, thereby distinguishing pure states from the thermal density matrix. We demonstrate our general results in specific examples and argue that our results apply to the microstates of black holes.
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| To understand how correlation functions in individual microstates differ from the canonical ensemble average and from each other, we study the variances in correlators. | contribution 0.82 | 0.76 | 0.04 | asserted 0.85 |
| Using general statistical considerations, we show that the variance between microstates will be exponentially suppressed in the entropy. | result 0.97 | 0.90 | 0.14 | asserted 1.00 |
| However, by exploiting the analytic properties of correlation functions we argue that these variances are amplified in imaginary time, thereby distinguishing pure states from the thermal density matrix. | result 0.86 | 0.82 | 0.75 | asserted 0.64 |
| We demonstrate our general results in specific examples and argue that our results apply to the microstates of black holes. | interpretation 0.47 | 0.89 | 0.15 | asserted 0.89 |
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It is important to emphasize that this phase space exploration is a necessity for mesoscopic observables, since a single typical microstate should not exhibit noticeable deviations from the thermal average black hole geometry [ref] .
Observational Opportunities for the Fuzzball Program · Comments on mesoscopic observables · 0.98
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As argued in [ref] , this replacement is valid up to suppressed variance corrections.
A Bottom-Up Approach to Black Hole Microstates · Factorization · 0.96
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Furthermore, general considerations [ref] borne out by non-perturbative investigations of Virasoro blocks [ref] show that in Euclidean space, pure high-energy quantum states look very different from the BTZ black hole solution in the vicinity of the horizon.
An Exact Operator That Knows Its Location · Bulk Locality and Horizons · 0.96
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This raises the important question: are the microstate geometries typical microstates, in the sense that they represent and share properties with most of the microstates of the black hole [ref] ?
Fuzzballs and Observations · Typicality · 0.84
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This issue has been studied from various viewpoints, both in the present context of the D1-D5 system [ref] as well as in a similar context of BPS states in $AdS_5$ [ref] .
Microstate Dependence of Scattering from the D1-D5 System · Introduction and Summary · 0.89
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The idea of tracing properties of black holes to their being quantum superposition states was explored in [ref] , while the program of understanding black holes through course graining and statistical properties of underlying ensembles of microstates was initiated in [ref] .
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