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Video object removal can also erase the object's shadows and reflections.
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A video inpainting model trained on 3D-rendered pairs removes objects together with their shadows, reflections, and other side effects, plus a new benchmark.
T0 review reviewed 2026-08-05 challenge →
load-bearing objection Genuinely useful synthetic dataset, benchmark, and training framework for removing objects with side effects in video; but the real-world generalization claim is unsupported and Table 3 contradicts the abstract's superiority claim. the 3 major comments →
ROSE: Remove Objects with Side Effects in Videos
The pith
A machine-rendered reading of the paper's core claim, the machinery that carries it, and where it could break.
The reading
Core claim
The central claim is that side effects—not just the object—should be part of the target in video object removal, and that a model can learn to erase them from synthetic supervision. ROSE defines five physical side-effect categories (shadow, reflection, light source, mirror, translucent) and builds a pipeline that renders paired videos with the object toggled on and off, with per-frame masks and aligned camera motion. It then uses a diffusion transformer conditioned on the whole input video (rather than the masked remainder) so attention can link object pixels to their environmental traces, and an auxiliary difference-mask predictor supervised by the thresholded L2 difference between the pair
What carries the argument
The engine is the 3D-rendered paired-data pipeline: toggling an object's visibility in the renderer yields pixel-aligned before/after videos and exact masks, converting a task that normally lacks supervision into a supervised one. On this data, ROSE's reference-based erasing feeds the full video, not a masked product, into a diffusion transformer so the same object pixels act as a pointer to correlated regions; the difference-mask predictor, attached to hidden transformer features and trained with MSE on the thresholded pair difference, supplies an explicit localization signal. Mask augmentation (point, bounding box, dilation, erosion) makes the training robust to the imperfect masks users s
Load-bearing premise
The load-bearing premise is that side effects rendered by a 3D engine—how light, mirrors, water, and translucent materials behave—are close enough to real-world physical behavior that a model trained exclusively on such synthetic pairs will erase real shadows, reflections, and lighting changes without additional real paired data.
What would settle it
Take a fixed camera, film a scene with a physical object present, remove the object without changing lighting, and film again; run ROSE on the first video with the object masked. If the model's side-effect removal on these real before/after pairs is no better than a model trained on classical mask-and-inpaint pairs, the synthetic-proxy assumption fails. The same test would also reveal whether the difference-mask supervision transfers to real sensor noise.
If this is right
- A model trained solely on synthetic rendered pairs can erase objects together with shadows, reflections, light-source changes, mirror appearances, and translucency, according to the paper's quantitative and qualitative results.
- Feeding the whole video, not just the masked remainder, lets the inpainting model use the object region as reference and improves side-effect localization.
- Explicitly predicting the difference mask between paired videos gives the diffusion model a training signal that encourages it to repaint not only the object mask but all correlated pixels.
- ROSE-Bench supplies a common protocol, with synthetic paired, realistic paired, and real unpaired subsets, for future comparisons of side-effect removal.
- The method generalizes to real-world videos on the paper's unpaired benchmark, as measured by VBench-style metrics.
Where Pith is reading between the lines
- Inference: The same two-element recipe—synthetic before/after pairs plus a difference-mask head—could be applied to other invisible object traces, such as caustics, wetness marks, dust displacement, or dynamic weather, provided the renderer models them.
- Inference: Since the difference mask is computed purely from frame pairs, any future source of aligned real pairs—for example, stop-motion captures with a physical object removed—could fine-tune the model without architectural change.
- Inference: The reference-based design suggests that inpainting models in general may benefit from consuming the full video including the object region, which could transfer to image-level 'remove anything' editing and interactive segmentation scenarios.
Editorial analysis
A structured set of objections, weighed in public.
Referee Report
Summary. The paper proposes ROSE, a video inpainting method aimed at removing not only objects but also their environment side effects (shadows, reflections, lighting changes, translucency, mirrors). Because paired real videos are scarce, the authors synthesize 16,678 paired video clips in Unreal Engine, with automatic camera trajectories and exact masks. The model is built on the Wan2.1 diffusion transformer; it feeds the full original video as reference, applies mask augmentations, and trains an auxiliary difference-mask predictor supervised by thresholded pixel differences between paired videos (Eq. 1). They introduce ROSE-Bench with three test sets: synthetic paired, realistic paired (DAVIS copy-paste), and realistic unpaired (VBench metrics). They report state-of-the-art results on the synthetic benchmark and strong performance on realistic tests.
Significance. If the transfer premise holds, this is a valuable contribution: a large synthetic paired dataset with controllable side effects, a systematic taxonomy of object-environment interactions, and a benchmark that fills a gap in video inpainting evaluation. The reference-based whole-video input and the auxiliary difference-mask supervision are plausible and technically clean changes; I found no derivational circularity in the supervision. The main scientific risk is that all positive quantitative evidence for side-effect removal is generated by the same rendering engine used for training, and the real-world test sets do not isolate the side-effect capability. Thus the paper's headline real-world generalization claim is not yet established.
major comments (3)
- [Abstract; §5.2, Table 3] The abstract and §5.2 claim 'superior performance ... as measured by PSNR, SSIM, and LPIPS.' Table 3 on the realistic paired benchmark shows ProPainter achieves higher PSNR (32.81 vs. 31.34) than ROSE; ROSE is better only on SSIM and LPIPS. Similarly, Table 4 shows DiffuEraser has higher Imaging Quality (0.658 vs. 0.630). The claim should be restricted to the metrics/categories where it holds, or additional evidence should be provided.
- [§5.1; §3.1; §6] Generalization to real-world videos is the central claim but is not supported by the reported evaluations. The synthetic ROSE-Bench (Table 1) is generated by the same Unreal Engine pipeline used for training (Sec. 3.1/5.1), so it measures in-distribution performance. The realistic paired benchmark (Table 3) is built by copy-pasting objects from DAVIS; this creates artificial composites without genuine scene-integrated side effects, so it does not test the paper's core capability. The unpaired VBench metrics (Table 4) have no ground truth for side-effect removal. Sec. 6 itself states future work is needed to 'further bridge synthetic and real-world domains.' A paired real-world test with actual shadows/reflections/lighting is needed before claiming real-world generalization.
- [§5.3, Table 2] Table 2's ablation does not support the claim that all primary designs are effective. Under the natural cumulative reading (Base → +MRG → +MA → +DMP), adding mask augmentation after MRG decreases mean PSNR from 30.84 to 29.89 and hurts every category except Common, e.g., Light Source from 30.37 to 25.80 and Mirror from 28.45 to 27.37. The final +DMP restores the mean, but for Light Source and Mirror the final PSNR remains below the +MRG-only value (30.07 vs. 30.37; 28.35 vs. 28.45). Please clarify the exact order and re-evaluate the contribution of each component, or revise the claims.
minor comments (5)
- [§5.1] Typos and inconsistent naming: 'hat are critical' should be 'that are critical'; 'DA VIS' appears instead of 'DAVIS' in the realistic paired benchmark description and elsewhere; 'qualitatitve' in §5.2.
- [§4.4, Eq. (3)] The loss weight λ is not specified; please state its value. Also, the notation in Eq. (2) is ambiguous: after introducing the latent-resolution difference mask d_t with size f×h/s×w/s, the full-resolution grid (F,H,W) is not clearly connected to the earlier definitions.
- [§5.1] The realistic paired benchmark is described only qualitatively. Please report the number of test videos, the number of source/target pairs, and the object categories used, so the benchmark is reproducible and its coverage is clear.
- [§5.1] The synthetic benchmark is said to contain '10 high-quality triplets per category,' but the total number and the sampling procedure are not given. Clarify how these clips were selected from the 16,678 training-style pairs and whether they overlap with training data.
- [§5.3, Table 2] The column order Base, +MRG, +MA, +DMP should be explicitly defined in a caption or footnote; the current text does not state whether the columns are cumulative, which is essential for interpreting Table 2.
Circularity Check
No circularity: ROSE's training and auxiliary supervision are standard supervised losses on rendered pairs; same-pipeline evaluation is a domain-transfer concern, not a derivational circle.
full rationale
The paper's derivation chain is self-contained and does not reduce to its own inputs. Paired training data are generated by toggling object visibility in Unreal Engine (Sec. 3.1), yielding aligned original/edited/mask triples. The model is trained with the standard diffusion denoising loss plus an auxiliary MSE on a difference mask (Eqs. 1-3); the difference mask is a thresholded pixel difference computed from the paired videos, i.e., a supervised label, not a hidden prediction of the central claim. The synthetic ROSE-Bench subset is produced by the same simulation pipeline as the training set, which makes the synthetic scores in-distribution and leaves the real-world generalization claim under-supported; but that is an evaluation/transfer limitation, not circularity. The paper itself concedes this gap in Sec. 6 ('Future work will explore ... broader environmental effects to further bridge synthetic and real-world domains'). The realistic paired benchmark (Table 3) uses copy-paste from DAVIS and therefore does not create true side effects, and the unpaired VBench metrics lack side-effect ground truth; these are correctness/validation concerns, not circular reasoning. There are no load-bearing self-citations, imported uniqueness theorems, or ansatz-by-citation steps. Accordingly, no circular step can be quoted, and the correct finding is no significant circularity (score 0).
Axiom & Free-Parameter Ledger
free parameters (4)
- difference threshold δ =
0.09
- loss weight λ =
not reported
- mask augmentation probabilities =
not reported
- valid-view filtering threshold =
not reported
axioms (4)
- domain assumption 3D-rendered synthetic videos from Unreal Engine are a sufficient proxy for real-world object side effects (shadows, reflections, etc.)
- domain assumption A thresholded L2 pixel difference between paired videos correctly identifies all object-correlated areas that should be modified
- domain assumption Copy-and-paste DAVIS-based pairs provide a valid realistic benchmark for object removal
- domain assumption PSNR, SSIM, and LPIPS on synthetic pairs are meaningful predictors of real-world editing quality
Cite this review
Pith. "Pith review of ROSE: Remove Objects with Side Effects in Videos." pith.science (2026). https://pith.science/paper/BVWMKCYY
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read the original abstract
Video object removal has achieved advanced performance due to the recent success of video generative models. However, when addressing the side effects of objects, e.g., their shadows and reflections, existing works struggle to eliminate these effects for the scarcity of paired video data as supervision. This paper presents ROSE, termed Remove Objects with Side Effects, a framework that systematically studies the object's effects on environment, which can be categorized into five common cases: shadows, reflections, light, translucency and mirror. Given the challenges of curating paired videos exhibiting the aforementioned effects, we leverage a 3D rendering engine for synthetic data generation. We carefully construct a fully-automatic pipeline for data preparation, which simulates a large-scale paired dataset with diverse scenes, objects, shooting angles, and camera trajectories. ROSE is implemented as an video inpainting model built on diffusion transformer. To localize all object-correlated areas, the entire video is fed into the model for reference-based erasing. Moreover, additional supervision is introduced to explicitly predict the areas affected by side effects, which can be revealed through the differential mask between the paired videos. To fully investigate the model performance on various side effect removal, we presents a new benchmark, dubbed ROSE-Bench, incorporating both common scenarios and the five special side effects for comprehensive evaluation. Experimental results demonstrate that ROSE achieves superior performance compared to existing video object erasing models and generalizes well to real-world video scenarios. The project page is https://rose2025-inpaint.github.io/.
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