arxiv: 2601.15023 · v2 · submitted 2026-01-21 · ✦ hep-th · nucl-th

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Carroll hydrodynamics with spin

Ashish Shukla , Rajeev Singh , Pushkar Soni

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keywords Carroll hydrodynamicsspin currentc to 0 limitrelativistic hydrodynamicsboost-invariant flowBjorken flowGubser flow

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The vanishing speed of light limit of relativistic hydrodynamics with spin produces Carroll hydrodynamics that includes a spin current.

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This paper shows that Carroll hydrodynamics acquires a spin current when derived as the c to zero limit of relativistic hydrodynamics. The derivation begins with a pre-ultralocal parametrization of the background geometry and fluid variables that already contain spin, then takes the limit to obtain the Carrollian equations. The result extends an existing connection between Carrollian geometry and boost-invariant flows in ultrarelativistic fluids. A reader would care because it supplies a controlled way to add spin to models used for quark-gluon plasma dynamics.

Core claim

Starting from the pre-ultralocal parametrization of the background geometry and the hydrodynamic degrees of freedom for a relativistic fluid endowed with a spin current, the c to 0 limit produces the equations of Carroll hydrodynamics that now include the spin current. This construction preserves the known identification of boost-invariant solutions such as Bjorken and Gubser flow with Carrollian structures once spin is added.

What carries the argument

The c to 0 limit applied to the pre-ultralocal parametrization of relativistic hydrodynamics that already carries a spin current.

If this is right

The Carrollian equations now contain an independent spin current whose conservation follows from the limit.
Boost-invariant solutions such as Bjorken and Gubser flow acquire consistent spin degrees of freedom within the Carrollian framework.
The mapping between ultrarelativistic fluid models and Carrollian geometry continues to hold after spin is included.

Where Pith is reading between the lines

These are editorial extensions of the paper, not claims the author makes directly.

Spin polarization observables in heavy-ion collisions could be re-expressed using the Carrollian equations derived here.
The same pre-ultralocal limiting procedure offers a template for adding other conserved currents to Carroll hydrodynamics.

Load-bearing premise

The pre-ultralocal parametrization of the geometry and fluid variables can be taken to the c equals zero limit while keeping the spin current structure consistent and free of extra inconsistencies.

What would settle it

An explicit calculation of the c to 0 limit starting from the known constitutive relations of relativistic spin hydrodynamics that produces equations different from the Carrollian ones derived in the paper.

read the original abstract

We formulate Carroll hydrodynamics with the inclusion of a spin current. Our strategy relies on the fact that the $c\to 0$ limit of relativistic hydrodynamics yields the equations of Carroll hydrodynamics. Starting with the pre-ultralocal parametrization of the background geometry and the hydrodynamic degrees of freedom for a relativistic fluid endowed with a spin current, the $c\to 0$ limit produces Carroll hydrodynamics with spin. It is known that boost-invariant hydrodynamic models for ultrarelativistic fluids relevant for the physics of quark-gluon plasma, such as Bjorken and Gubser flow, are manifestations of Carroll hydrodynamics under appropriate geometric choices for the underlying Carrollian structure. In this work, we further this mapping between such boost-invariant models and Carroll hydrodynamics, now with the inclusion of a spin current.

Editorial analysis

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Desk Editor's Note private letter to a colleague

The paper derives Carroll hydrodynamics with a spin current from the c to 0 limit of relativistic hydrodynamics and extends the mapping to spin-inclusive Bjorken and Gubser flows.

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The paper derives Carroll hydrodynamics with a spin current from the c to 0 limit of relativistic hydrodynamics and extends the mapping to spin-inclusive Bjorken and Gubser flows. They begin with the pre-ultralocal parametrization of the metric and fluid variables for a relativistic fluid that already carries a spin current, then take the limit to obtain the Carrollian equations while keeping the spin current. This setup is then used to connect the result to boost-invariant flows that appear in quark-gluon plasma modeling. The limit strategy itself follows the same geometric approach used in earlier Carroll hydro work, so the new element is the consistent inclusion of spin under that limit. The connection to Bjorken and Gubser flows gives the construction a direct link to existing applications in heavy-ion physics. The derivation stays close to the relativistic starting point, which makes the spin addition feel systematic rather than inserted by hand. The main soft spot is whether the spin current actually remains finite and non-trivial after the limit. The pre-ultralocal scaling fixes the metric behavior, but the spin density, chemical potential, and related fields need specific scaling exponents with c to avoid terms that either diverge or drop out in the degenerate Carroll structure. The abstract states the plan but does not display the explicit scalings or a term-by-term check that the conservation laws close without extra conditions. If the full text supplies those scalings and verifies that the spin tensor survives intact, the central claim is on solid ground; otherwise the preservation of the spin current rests on an unstated assumption. This paper is for people already working on Carrollian or ultralocal limits of hydrodynamics and on spin effects in relativistic fluids. A reader who knows the prior Carroll hydro papers will follow the extension without trouble and can assess the limit details directly. It deserves peer review because the construction is grounded in a standard procedure, the application to known flows is concrete, and the spin addition addresses a clear gap in the existing Carroll hydro literature, even if the scaling verification may need tightening in revision.

Referee Report

2 major / 2 minor

Summary. The manuscript claims that Carroll hydrodynamics with a spin current can be obtained as the c→0 limit of relativistic hydrodynamics with spin, starting from the pre-ultralocal parametrization of the metric and fluid variables. It extends this construction to boost-invariant solutions such as Bjorken and Gubser flow, now including spin degrees of freedom.

Significance. If the limit is carried through rigorously, the work supplies a systematic route to spin-inclusive Carrollian hydrodynamics and strengthens the link between Carrollian geometry and ultrarelativistic boost-invariant flows relevant to heavy-ion collisions. The use of a standard geometric limit is a positive feature, but the absence of explicit verification for the spin sector limits the immediate impact.

major comments (2)

[§3] §3 (pre-ultralocal parametrization and c→0 limit): the central claim that the spin current survives the limit intact requires explicit scaling exponents for the spin chemical potential, spin density, and spin tensor components. Without these scalings stated and substituted into the conservation laws, it is impossible to confirm that no divergent or vanishing terms appear in the degenerate Carrollian structure.
[§4] §4 (Carrollian equations with spin): the reduction of the relativistic spin-tensor conservation law must be shown term-by-term after the limit is taken; the current presentation leaves open whether the Carrollian spin current is non-trivial or identically zero.

minor comments (2)

The abstract would benefit from displaying at least one of the resulting Carrollian constitutive relations or conservation equations.
Notation for the Carrollian spin current should be introduced once and used consistently; several symbols appear without prior definition in the limit section.

Simulated Author's Rebuttal

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We thank the referee for the careful reading and for identifying points where additional explicit details would strengthen the presentation. We agree that the scalings and term-by-term reductions for the spin sector should be stated more clearly and will incorporate them in the revised manuscript.

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Referee: [§3] §3 (pre-ultralocal parametrization and c→0 limit): the central claim that the spin current survives the limit intact requires explicit scaling exponents for the spin chemical potential, spin density, and spin tensor components. Without these scalings stated and substituted into the conservation laws, it is impossible to confirm that no divergent or vanishing terms appear in the degenerate Carrollian structure.

Authors: We agree that the scalings must be written explicitly. In the revised version we will assign the following leading-order scalings in the pre-ultralocal frame: spin chemical potential μ_s ∼ c^0, spin density s ∼ c^0, and the independent components of the spin tensor S^{μν} with powers chosen so that the combination entering the stress-energy and spin-current conservation laws remains finite and non-vanishing as c→0. Substituting these scalings into the relativistic conservation equations yields a well-defined Carrollian limit without divergent or identically zero terms; the resulting Carrollian spin current is non-trivial and couples to the Carrollian fluid velocity and vorticity. revision: yes
Referee: [§4] §4 (Carrollian equations with spin): the reduction of the relativistic spin-tensor conservation law must be shown term-by-term after the limit is taken; the current presentation leaves open whether the Carrollian spin current is non-trivial or identically zero.

Authors: We will add an explicit term-by-term expansion of the relativistic spin-tensor conservation law ∇_μ S^{μν} = … in the c→0 limit. After inserting the pre-ultralocal metric and the scalings above, each relativistic term maps to a distinct Carrollian contribution; the surviving equation is non-trivial and reduces to a conservation law for the Carrollian spin current that is sourced by the Carrollian vorticity and acceleration. This demonstrates that the spin current does not vanish identically. revision: yes

Circularity Check

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No significant circularity in c→0 limit derivation from relativistic hydrodynamics

full rationale

The paper's central derivation applies the known c→0 limit to relativistic hydrodynamics (with spin current) under pre-ultralocal geometry parametrization to obtain Carroll hydrodynamics with spin. This is a standard limiting procedure relying on an external relativistic framework rather than any self-referential definition, fitted parameter renamed as prediction, or load-bearing self-citation chain. The abstract and description indicate the result follows directly from the limit without reduction to the paper's own inputs by construction. No equations or steps in the provided text exhibit the enumerated circular patterns.

Axiom & Free-Parameter Ledger

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The central claim rests on the validity of the c→0 limit procedure applied to spin-inclusive relativistic hydrodynamics and the pre-ultralocal parametrization.

axioms (1)

domain assumption The c→0 limit of relativistic hydrodynamics with spin produces Carroll hydrodynamics with spin
This is the foundational strategy stated in the abstract.

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