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arxiv: 2604.03128 · v2 · submitted 2026-04-03 · 💻 cs.LG · cs.CL

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Self-Distilled RLVR

Chenxu Yang , Chuanyu Qin , Qingyi Si , Minghui Chen , Naibin Gu , Dingyu Yao , Zheng Lin , Weiping Wang
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classification 💻 cs.LG cs.CL
keywords self-distillationRLVRon-policy distillationLLM trainingreinforcement learningupdate magnitudestraining stability
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The pith

RLSD restricts self-distillation to token-level policy differences for update magnitudes while RLVR supplies directions from verifiable rewards.

A machine-rendered reading of the paper's core claim, the machinery that carries it, and where it could break.

The paper shows that on-policy self-distillation relying solely on privileged teacher signals produces information leakage and long-term instability. RLSD instead uses self-distillation only to compute token-level policy differences that determine fine-grained update magnitudes. It continues to draw reliable update directions from RLVR signals based on environmental feedback such as response correctness. This separation lets the method combine dense signals with stable directions, producing higher convergence ceilings and better training stability than either pure RLVR or full OPSD.

Core claim

Learning signals derived solely from the privileged teacher in on-policy self-distillation cause severe information leakage and unstable long-term training; RLSD therefore applies self-distillation exclusively to obtain token-level policy differences for setting update magnitudes while retaining RLVR to derive reliable directions from environmental feedback such as response correctness.

What carries the argument

RLSD, which splits self-distillation to set update magnitudes from token-level policy differences and RLVR to set update directions from verifiable environmental outcomes.

Where Pith is reading between the lines

These are editorial extensions of the paper, not claims the author makes directly.

  • The magnitude-direction split could be tested in other sequential learning settings where dense internal signals compete with sparse external rewards.
  • If the separation works, similar restrictions on privileged signals might stabilize self-evolution loops in multi-agent or hierarchical RL.
  • The result suggests that leakage arises mainly when privileged information controls direction rather than scale, pointing to a broader design rule for hybrid distillation methods.

Load-bearing premise

That limiting self-distillation to token-level policy differences for magnitudes will prevent the leakage and instability that appear when the same signals also dictate update directions.

What would settle it

A training run in which RLSD exhibits the same long-term instability or information leakage as pure OPSD, or fails to exceed the convergence level of standard RLVR, would falsify the claim.

read the original abstract

On-policy distillation (OPD) has become a popular training paradigm in the LLM community. This paradigm selects a larger model as the teacher to provide dense, fine-grained signals for each sampled trajectory, in contrast to reinforcement learning with verifiable rewards (RLVR), which only obtains sparse signals from verifiable outcomes in the environment. Recently, the community has explored on-policy self-distillation (OPSD), where the same model serves as both teacher and student, with the teacher receiving additional privileged information such as reference answers to enable self-evolution. This paper demonstrates that learning signals solely derived from the privileged teacher result in severe information leakage and unstable long-term training. Accordingly, we identify the optimal niche for self-distillation and propose \textbf{RLSD} (\textbf{RL}VR with \textbf{S}elf-\textbf{D}istillation). Specifically, we leverage self-distillation to obtain token-level policy differences for determining fine-grained update magnitudes, while continuing to use RLVR to derive reliable update directions from environmental feedback (e.g., response correctness). This enables RLSD to simultaneously harness the strengths of both RLVR and OPSD, achieving a higher convergence ceiling and superior training stability.

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Referee Report

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Summary. The manuscript identifies severe information leakage and long-term instability in on-policy self-distillation (OPSD) when the same model acts as teacher with privileged reference answers. It proposes RLSD, which retains RLVR to supply update directions from verifiable environmental outcomes (e.g., response correctness) while restricting self-distillation to token-level policy differences that set only the fine-grained update magnitudes. The central claim is that this separation harnesses the strengths of both paradigms to reach a higher convergence ceiling and better training stability.

Significance. The proposed decoupling of direction (RLVR) from magnitude (self-distillation) is a conceptually clean way to combine sparse verifiable signals with dense token-level information. If the leakage concern can be shown not to reappear, the method could improve stability in RLVR pipelines for LLM reasoning without requiring larger external teachers. However, the manuscript supplies no experiments, ablations, or analysis, so any significance remains prospective rather than demonstrated.

major comments (2)
  1. [Abstract] Abstract and design description: the claim that 'learning signals solely derived from the privileged teacher result in severe information leakage and unstable long-term training' is asserted without any supporting empirical results, ablation studies, training curves, or references to prior demonstrations of this failure mode.
  2. RLSD design: the assumption that token-level policy differences computed from the privileged teacher can be used purely for magnitudes while RLVR supplies directions, without reintroducing outcome-correlated leakage, is stated but receives no formal bound, isolation experiment, or analysis that would confirm the claimed clean separation.

Simulated Author's Rebuttal

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We thank the referee for the constructive comments and for recognizing the conceptual appeal of decoupling update direction (RLVR) from magnitude (self-distillation). We address each major comment below and will strengthen the empirical support in the revised manuscript.

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  1. Referee: [Abstract] Abstract and design description: the claim that 'learning signals solely derived from the privileged teacher result in severe information leakage and unstable long-term training' is asserted without any supporting empirical results, ablation studies, training curves, or references to prior demonstrations of this failure mode.

    Authors: We agree the abstract claim would be stronger with direct empirical backing. The full manuscript motivates the leakage issue through the OPSD formulation and its dependence on privileged reference answers, but we will add explicit ablation studies, training curves comparing OPSD versus RLVR, and relevant references in the revision to demonstrate the instability. revision: yes

  2. Referee: [—] RLSD design: the assumption that token-level policy differences computed from the privileged teacher can be used purely for magnitudes while RLVR supplies directions, without reintroducing outcome-correlated leakage, is stated but receives no formal bound, isolation experiment, or analysis that would confirm the claimed clean separation.

    Authors: The separation is enforced by construction: RLVR alone determines update direction from verifiable outcomes (response correctness), while self-distillation contributes only the scalar magnitude via token-level policy differences. This prevents privileged information from influencing direction. We will add an isolation experiment in the revision that compares update directions with and without the distillation term to empirically verify no reintroduction of leakage. revision: yes

Circularity Check

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No circularity; RLSD is a methodological combination of existing components

full rationale

The paper first demonstrates problems with pure OPSD (information leakage and instability), then proposes RLSD as a hybrid that uses self-distillation solely for token-level policy differences (magnitudes) and RLVR for directions from environmental feedback. This is framed as an empirical combination rather than a derivation. No equations reduce the claimed result to its inputs by construction, no fitted parameters are renamed as predictions, and no self-citation chain or uniqueness theorem is invoked to force the outcome. The central claim remains independently testable via ablations and benchmarks.

Axiom & Free-Parameter Ledger

0 free parameters · 0 axioms · 0 invented entities

Based on the abstract alone, no explicit free parameters, axioms, or invented entities are introduced beyond standard assumptions of reinforcement learning and distillation.

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